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« Reply #45 on: 05 Jun 2021 09:56AM »
The trouble is that once Google has your name and can map it onto your computer, it can match that to information it's got elsewhere.

I'm not sure how it works, but what I do know is that if I delete all my cookies then go on a site that checks whether my line's ok, it knows where I am.  I.e. it's the location of my internet connection it knows, not my actual computer.  Maybe that's not an issue with a smartphone connection, I have no idea.

But in practical terms, since Google's computers probably have, from Youtube and from non-Google sites that feed info back to it, a fair bit of info as to my health conditions, political views etc. I don't feel comfortable about that being mapped onto my name.

But then if I don't get in fast with my refusal of consent form, my GP will give my personal info to a database that will be sold commercially by the government (I think they're phrasing it as companies paying to use it) loads of info on me will be in the big companies that then share info, officially or unofficially.

That being said, one of the things I get most heated about in relation to mental health services is just how much patient information they share with other organisations on a general basis.  For example, I know that info about me from the local mental health trust has been shared with the police (who were happy to delete it as it didn't actually interest or concern them), social services, Ofsted, and even some private companies, charities and voluntary groups. 

And that for me is typical of how information gets spread around.  So I suppose it shouldn't bug me about Google's computers mapping information it has on the sites I visit to my name, because if info on me were to be used in the future by an organisation they choose to sell their info to, there'd be loads from elsew
I campaign a lot, but one annoyed reader of my blogs tracked me down, put my name address online for everyone to see, then spammed every post I put out.  One site I created for local deaf the individual posted homosexual porn links on 68 of them.....  then tried to do the same to my readers, I had to close it down.  I gather the person concerned had quite serious mental health issues but was very adept at hacking people.  FB tracked the person down to Australia of all places, and took them offline, but they resumed under an alias, but at least left me alone.   the person also brought down the RNID forum by adopting multiple alias and different sex's too.  SO good were they at it the charity couldn't continue to offer feedback that way and doesn't today.  There were also attempts at the SEE HEAR BBC spots as well.  This individual hated deaf people.  For the hacker it just means adopting another name etc and they carry on.

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« Reply #46 on: 05 Jun 2021 01:18PM »
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Incidentally, as regards Tiktok, I'm not quite sure what it would offer.  I've never used it or seen it.  I don't have a smartphone - does it work with a desktop so I could see other people's videos?



Yes it works on a computer but not as well because there is less functionality. If you want to watch and type comments it is actually easier for oldies like me though. You do need to have a mobile number to make an account and using your own account is key to getting the access you are aiming for. It is like if Chrome tracked your Favourites and suggested other pages for you to look at. www.TickTock.com sorry that should be https://www.tiktok.com/en
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« Reply #47 on: 05 Jun 2021 01:37PM »
No that I am up to date with the thread I am sending  :big_hugs:

For a long time I had a name that was so common that I was not worried about being identified or found. My married name can be more easily connected to Mr Sunshine's Twitter account so it blew my cover. On any social media site the key thing is to set things up to how you want them to be. For example on Tiktok I have set it do not accept private messages, I use a nickname not used before etc.

I have Instagram too but only to use as a fangirl of bands, actors and photographers etc. 

I might have posted on it before but I think it unlikely that Google Facebook etc want to know about me as Sarah its more like I am a bunch or 011100011 to them. Facebook ads do get annoying, I find the trick is to check it a handful of times a day and do one big scroll through new stuff because the adverts kind of disappear through a brain filter if you get what I mean.

My Tiktok adventure is at the getting to know you phase like when I found MSN Communities back in 1999 and by 2003 I was in America so who knows.

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« Reply #48 on: 05 Jun 2021 04:49PM »
I’ve posted about this before.  My name is not a common one.  Someone is cat fishing my name on sex dating sites, and, fans only.   Some explicit  emails I’ve been sent are from women, so, the person above is a male.  I can’t resolve the problem, apart from changing my email.  It’s very annoying, and, I hope anyone seeing my name on the internet doesn’t think it’s me.

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« Reply #49 on: 05 Jun 2021 11:12PM »
I find it difficult not to get obsessed over privacy and truth or otherwise of information about me that others hold.  I suppose there has to be a limit to how anxious one gets.

The Guardian has a good link to a fairly easy explanation of how to opt out and a better form than the official one, which my computer doesn't like.
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« Reply #50 on: 06 Jun 2021 08:39AM »
You can request Google not to bring up your details if people search for it. If Google withold results because people have requested that they do so, a note comes up on the search page saying "some results may have been withheld due to data protection laws".

I have no clue as to the process though but I know that relatives of famous murderers for example have gone through the process of search engines not being allowed to bring up any information on them. 

If anyone is at risk of harm or harrassment I would say to have a look into the data protection process on the internet.

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« Reply #51 on: 06 Jun 2021 02:40PM »
Belatedly following up on the Tiktok suggestion.

I've looked at the Wikipedia entry on it and looked at a couple of other sources of info.  I don't like their censorship of videos by disabled people and LGBT+ people.

I've been looking mostly, though at stuff relating to 2019 and 2020, so maybe I could find an update on how Tiktok is handling this sort of thing now.

Though again, I think the whole issue of what is or isn't allowed on the various platforms is a mess to say the least.
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« Reply #52 on: 08 Jun 2021 08:32AM »
I am a bear of little brain and don't understand tiktok. I have seen shared videos where people lip sync to prerecorded videos on tiktok, does it do more than that? 

I am so hopeless with technology plus hate myself so much and would never choose to post a photo or video of me anywhere I doubt that I would ever be able to use it.

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« Reply #53 on: 08 Jun 2021 10:11AM »
I was briefly in a television programme years ago, and in the broadcast version (is 'cut' the word I want?) the presenter lied/misrepresented something I'd said while we were chatting before the programme.  He may not have meant to.  There's a phrase I've come across "He/she only hears what he/she wants to"  They also filmed me offline and used something I said completely out of context.  I think that was deliberate.

Once upon a time, stuff like that got lost unless someone had an old videotape, but now it lingers for years online.

It's made me wary.  Yet I post enough about myself online that I think some people would be able to recognise me.  But then we can be matched between different online boards.  I posted something on a different board which someone here spotted contained a distinctive feature of the posting style I was using at that time, even though I was using a different name and had changed some key details about myself.

How people can ever choose careers in entertainment or politics is beyond me.  I'd never be brave enough.

And now there's the added problem of technology that can alter videos, like the stuff recently used to make it seem like Trump was wearing his trousers back-to-front.
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« Reply #54 on: 08 Jun 2021 10:14PM »
Sometime back when I was a paid subscriber to a newspaper's online site I, out of curiosity, Googled a fellow commentator's name and as they had mentioned in one of their online comments the name of the town they said they lived in, and to say I was surprised by what I was able to discover would be to put it mildly.

As the person involved had not used a made up name putting their name and town into Google led me to finding out some of their activities, council planning objections and the like, but more concerning to me was the fact that I was able, through what I had discovered, to use Google earth's street view to see the house where the commentator lived. I did think about trying to warn this commentator but I just could not think of a way to do this without others realising they too could do the same as I had done. The commentator was someone with whom I had many agreeable chats through the newspaper's comments section but had I been someone who felt offended by the commentator perhaps knowing where they lived they could pose a risk of harm to them.

Sometimes it can be all too easy to inadvertently put too much information on screen, even in seemingly agreeable chats.

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« Reply #55 on: 09 Jun 2021 11:07AM »
The one time I got really annoyed was some years ago on a much larger site than this when a poster I wasn't friends with, but had happened to meet once at an event, made reference to the neighbourhood I live in, and I had to think fast to reframe what was said as a reference to a place I know, not where I live.  I can't get my head round what makes someone think it's ok on a board read by vast numbers of people, to say where someone lives to within a short walking distance.

As it is, on another board, I'm having a problem withe someone I regard as a friend and with whom I chat offline who has now more than once made reference to things we've said offline but not online.  I can't get my head round why people do that, especially as in their case, I previously specifically asked them not to.  As I'm typing this, I'm sadly accepting that that's a friendship that's effectively ended. 

I know that over the years, I've given out enough personal information for someone that knows what they're doing to track me down, but I'd rather it wasn't too easy for the casual curious person.
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« Reply #56 on: 10 Jun 2021 12:10PM »
The one time I got really annoyed was some years ago on a much larger site than this when a poster I wasn't friends with, but had happened to meet once at an event, made reference to the neighbourhood I live in, and I had to think fast to reframe what was said as a reference to a place I know, not where I live.  I can't get my head round what makes someone think it's ok on a board read by vast numbers of people, to say where someone lives to within a short walking distance.

As it is, on another board, I'm having a problem withe someone I regard as a friend and with whom I chat offline who has now more than once made reference to things we've said offline but not online.  I can't get my head round why people do that, especially as in their case, I previously specifically asked them not to.  As I'm typing this, I'm sadly accepting that that's a friendship that's effectively ended. 

I know that over the years, I've given out enough personal information for someone that knows what they're doing to track me down, but I'd rather it wasn't too easy for the casual curious person.
This is the current issue with those cricket players, having said something a bit silly as a teen the righteous indignation area trawl years back to make them racists or homophobic etc and they can lose jobs and everything.  I'm pretty sure if I was some sort of celeb they would find a number of things said they could have fun with, but I never regret and never apologise, I am aware once you say something online it's there to be misinterpreted anyway.  I just aired on my blog an old B/W film of deaf children in 1954, and it was by current 'norms' now totally racist, but you have to allow for different times and attitudes, next week what we believe now will be against some grain or other too.  It's WOKE rule by the witch hunters.  We have gone too far in interpreting inclusion, diversity, acceptances,  and access, like BLM it was hijacked by the extremes and now works against us all.  Every label and tag is another nail in our equality coffin.

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« Reply #57 on: 10 Jun 2021 12:33PM »
This is the current issue with those cricket players, having said something a bit silly as a teen the righteous indignation area trawl years back to make them racists or homophobic etc and they can lose jobs and everything.  I'm pretty sure if I was some sort of celeb they would find a number of things said they could have fun with, but I never regret and never apologise, I am aware once you say something online it's there to be misinterpreted anyway.  I just aired on my blog an old B/W film of deaf children in 1954, and it was by current 'norms' now totally racist, but you have to allow for different times and attitudes, next week what we believe now will be against some grain or other too.  It's WOKE rule by the witch hunters.  We have gone too far in interpreting inclusion, diversity, acceptances,  and access, like BLM it was hijacked by the extremes and now works against us all.  Every label and tag is another nail in our equality coffin.
I agree that you have to interpret things in terms of the time in which they happened, whilst looking at how we might do things differently now.

It can be such a delicate balance, not least because if you get into the field of politics, you get such an odd mix of people doing things that some thought were ok and some thought weren't but pretended were ok etc.  E.g. the history of Black slavery in what I'll call the Western-led empires.  I believe that some White people in the past genuinely believed that  Black people didn't have the same feelings and thoughts as White people, for example, thinking that Black people didn't feel pain or exhaustion as much as White people do; whereas other White people knew and didn't care; and yet more White people didn't know but didn't care to find out.  Important to tease it out not so much for condemning or praising the past, but for moving forward.

As for 'woke', I don't like the way that term has been weaponised.  I'm not ashamed to say I'm woke.  As for BLM, I'll stand alongside people of colour who are now woke to their rights.  Incidentally, there's no need to capitalise it just because it's a dialect word.  If a British English term. i.e. woken or awake were used instead of the African American woke, would you capitalise it?  Or maybe for a better analogy, if a Gaelic or Welsh term were used by Celtic British people to say they're awake to their rights, would you capitalise it?

As someone with ethnic minority heritage, before BLM became prominent I marched on anti-racism demos and campaigned in other ways, and as far as I'm concerned, I stand united with people of colour who are having the courage to say they're now woke(n) to their rights.
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« Reply #58 on: 10 Jun 2021 02:43PM »
I agree that the term Woke is used negatively and I don't like that. And being woke is a good thing.

Having discovered what Ollie wrote in his tweets, I don't feel his comment about women who are gamers being better in bed than non gamers to be sexist. It might have been his experience! But I'm not young and I clearly remember when young that the 'n' word was out of bounds and not suitable language and his tweet was relatively recent so that term was racist and inappropriate and he should/would have known that when he tweeted. Obviously then he had no idea he would be famous or that people would trawl through his social media looking for headline news.

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« Reply #59 on: 10 Jun 2021 03:36PM »
I didn't know anything about the Ollie thing until mentioned here, but I just looked it up.  It seems wrong to me to judge someone on the basis of behaviour that far back without considering more recent behaviour.  To me, it's important for the survival of the human species at every level that we maintain a sense that people can change and adapt.
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