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Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
« Reply #45 on: 08 May 2021 06:23PM »
:f_laugh: I think that's what you might describe as a 'wake-up call'...

Dad and I are just longing for restaurants to open up their indoor space so we can enjoy a particular venue's fabulous gut-busting carvery again - the erratic weather just isn't good enough for outdoor dining as far as we're concerned :f_erm:

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« Reply #46 on: 18 Jul 2021 02:03PM »
Unsurprisingly, and wisely in my opinion, we were told in church this morning that we should continue to wear masks in church for the foreseeable unless medically exempt but we'll be able to sing from next week. Masks won't hinder singing. We're also asked to socialise after the service outside the building rather than inside if the weather is suitable. I suspect churches won't be the only places extending protection as Boris is stopping the task of protecting the country. My local hospital has full Covid wards again and local schools have had to close for the summer due to the amount of staff pinged by the app to isolate. We're definitely in a fourth wave.

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« Reply #47 on: 18 Jul 2021 04:56PM »
I've been saddened by some religious leaders and groups overseas and here during the course of the pandemic doing the "We'll be safe because God will protect us" thing and crowding into their churches or other places of worship.

Yet the flip side is places of worship like yours where the leaders and congregation are working together to keep people safe.

And it's been heartening seeing the co-ordinated effort by Islamic religious leaders and Muslim doctors to get the message across to people celebrating Eid al Adha that they have to be careful.
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Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
« Reply #48 on: 19 Jul 2021 06:33AM »
Every church I know of has had a booking system for places, with distances between chairs, no conversations or singing indoors even wearing masks. All this being government regulations so packed churches would be breaking the law and that's shocking. Very sad. 

I have Christian friends all around the country and we've all been eagerly waiting to be able to sing. None of my friends have bothered to attend church yet as no singing or talking allowed even in masks, they've been watching online and singing in their homes so Sunday will be the return to church for many. I've only been the last two Sundays since lockkdown one started so I'm new to it myself. If it wasn't so carefully distanced and careful with mask wearing, I wouldn't be going because numbers are currently so high.

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« Reply #49 on: 19 Jul 2021 03:58PM »
A small number of churches of various denominations have breached lockdown rules.  That being said, I've only read of this happening in England and Wales and don't know about Scotland or NI.

It's such a shame, because most churches appear, like yours, to have gone to great lengths not just to comply with the rules but to take care in practical ways.

One of my local churches has been holding a weekly outdoor service when weather permits, in addition to having very carefully organised and arranged indoor services/activities when permitted to do so.  They have quite large grounds so this works.

So many people putting so much effort in to keep their fellow worshippers safe, whether organising or whether just staying away when that's the best thing to do.

I'm glad you and others can now worship in a way you enjoy.
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Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
« Reply #50 on: 19 Jul 2021 05:51PM »
I went into the post office and a store today. Both entrance doors said despite restrictions lifting they request that people continue to wear masks when possible and everybody was. Very reassuring.

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Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
« Reply #51 on: 19 Jul 2021 06:13PM »
I'm trying to pluck up courage to go to the supermarket.  Living in a dense urban area, and being currently able to walk quite a bit, I'm within approx 35-40 min walk of a lot of different shops.  During lockdown, they've varied massively in how considerate staff and customers are.  I think for the sake of feeling safe I'm going to have to use a small one that's got a lovely atmosphere but high prices and loads of junk food diverting me away from the fresh stuff.  

Yup, yet another way in which less well off people are punished in our society - if they got screwed over on their benefits claim, they have to buy their food in the cheapest shops which I bet will typically be the most dangerous in terms of customer behaviour.  I've been feeling very sorry for myself lately and was awake most of last night crying and I'm sitting here reminding myself how privileged I am to be able to choose my supermarket on the basis of safety not on the basis of can I somehow get enough calories to survive.

As for meeting people at churches, my social contact is, or was just before lockdown, typically through exercise/dance groups, some of which are in church halls.  One started again and I went to it recently, but I was disgusted with the instructor making a show of hygiene but at the expense of actual hygiene.  We use things like batons that we swing around and when people went to put them back in the bags, he said no, and got people to lay them out on the tables at the side of the hall.

As we were leaving, he was vaguely wiping them over with antibacterial wipes.  Well, ok, the detergent in wipes like that can mess up the virus' lipids, rendering it powerless, as can other detergents, but only if there's enough, so it was just tokenism.  And I'm entirely certain that either he will have not cleaned the tables or that he will just have made a token gesture.  

But for him, being seen to care about safety was more important than actually caring about safety.

I'd be less growly about it if he wasn't an active member of a church that's at the heart of the local community, with so much generosity and kindness that we all benefit from.  I'm trying not to be judgemental of him, but it's so difficult, isn't it?
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Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
« Reply #52 on: 20 Jul 2021 06:19AM »
The thing that I am finding slightly nuts is there were massive queues yesterday evening with young people desperate to get into nightclubs. Their age group have so far mostly had one or no jabs. But the government has announced that from September by which time all 18 year olds would have been offered two vaccines, they will need evidence they've had both vaccines to go clubbing. Whereas last night people choosing to turn down offers of vaccines were jiving away in clubs. Nuts. I think for Boris it's all about the economy now, not people and lives.

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Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
« Reply #53 on: 20 Jul 2021 11:12AM »
I agree that for him it's about the economy, but either he isn't thinking logically about it, or he is but just wants to appear to be good for the bits of the economy we see instead of the investors that benefit from economic disasters.

Parts of the hospitality industry are already struggling for want of experienced staff thanks to the exodus of EU staff, and parts already had problems with self-isolating staff, and now they'll have more staff off sick.

The popular story in the media appears to be that this is all about people being pinged to self-isolate not about staff actually being ill.  The government has indicated that it won't change the system whereby you're advised (but not obliged) to self-isolate for ten days if pinged by the app (as opposed to being contacted by test and trace) but staff won't necessarily remove the app from their phones, and even if they do, how many infected people have to attend a venue before staff are contacted by test and trace?

I foresee a flood of venues closing for want of staff, but it will be convenient to the government to be able to blame the industry's problems on the pandemic not brexit.  It will also cover up for other problems like shortage of HGV drivers to deliver supplies of alcohol and food.  (Yes, I'm a 'remoaner' but I'm talking about how brexit has been handled, not about whether we should have had brexit.)
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Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
« Reply #54 on: 20 Jul 2021 08:53PM »
I live in Wales usually the last area of the UK to 'catch up' with England and the rest of the UK.  I've always supported the restrictions and, lockdowns, I am aware we are all fighting a lethal pandemic it is not like a bout of annual flue to get over.  The COVID adapts to survive and develops counters to vaccines.  Basically I think opening everything up and relying on 'common sense' by Joe Public will blow up in Boris' face.  I suspect  a pivot point will be reached sooner rather than later, where taking ANY precaution is going to be ignored.  Young people e.g. have always been reluctant to comply, and I gather 35% still refuse a jab or wear a mask.

This means come September/October another lockdown and serious issues towards Xmas again.  The policy now seems to be OK we have vaccinated most of the old, vulnerable and disabled, now let nature take its course.  Of course, Nature is going to come back and clobber us all with a vengeance. COVID jabs last 6 months immunity-wise, which means my 'immunity' is about to run out shortly.  10% will still not be protected even with both jabs.  Because we isolated so well last Xmas time, we weren't really exposed to the annual flu as much, so we face this year's strain with a lot less protection if we all wander about not keeping our distances and not wearing masks either.

With those points in mind, I am against 'open house' in Wales, and quite annoyed the rest of the UK are going to come to Wales spreading COVID variances with impunity, I am doing the right thing, now I am being asked why do I bother?  It is irresponsible with infection rates soaring and, hospitalizations increasing as well.  Two  areas Boris said he would NOT lift restrictions if those number rose. Looks like survival of the fittest to me :(  Guess who suffered most when it all started? and will again.
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Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
« Reply #55 on: 20 Jul 2021 09:32PM »
As someone in England, I felt ashamed when last year there were times when there seemed to be whole crowds from where I live descending on Wales, but then it wasn't nice either when they descended on certain English towns, in both cases strewing the beaches and tourist areas with rubbish.

(It could be worse, I suppose.  In my army days we littered the Welsh hillsides with expletives!)

My only consolation in all of this is that I know that if I were to go for a walk now, most people would be weaving in and out of driveways and in and out of the road between parked cars in order to stay safely distanced.  I have to remind myself of that decent care for others in the midst of the horridness.
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Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
« Reply #56 on: 21 Jul 2021 07:03AM »
I haven't seen my son and dil who live in Wales since 2019 due to the pandemic. Even in the small windows when both countries weren't in lockdown we felt it too risky and wanted to minimise travel. I hope that I get to see them this year. 
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I actually think another lockkdown may happen. My area has the highest daily case numbers that it has ever had before, way higher than all previous lockdowns. The hospitals are getting more Covid cases consistently but as yet are not overwhelmed. I can see it happening though. 

Because Boris has repeatedly said that the ending of restrictions is irreversible, he'd have to go if that happened. Who on earth would we get next.

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Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
« Reply #57 on: 21 Jul 2021 06:07PM »
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Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
« Reply #58 on: 21 Jul 2021 06:17PM »
I totally agree. I just hope it's his downfall if numbers get far worse which is looking likely. 

I've just had an email from Sainsbury to say despite being told by the government that they need not provide priority delivery slots for vulnerable customers after July 19th, they are continuing to do so to ensure customers who do not yet feel safe to shop in-store will still get their deliveries so I remain on their priority delivery slot database. That's reassuring though I think that most people feel okay shopping in-store now because there seem to be no shortage of delivery slots.

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Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
« Reply #59 on: 23 Jul 2021 08:02AM »
Yesterday Boris said isolating when pinged was crucial in controlling the virus and today food workers no longer need to isolate when pinged ! You couldn't make it up. 

I realise they'll have daily tests instead BUT yet another 24 hour U turn.