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Talk / Re: BBC moan (plus thread-drift)
« Last post by On the edge on 15 Sep 2021 11:57AM »
You should disseminate responses and do a paper  lol
Talk / Re: BBC moan (plus thread-drift)
« Last post by On the edge on 15 Sep 2021 11:40AM »
The problem with social modeling, is it deteriorates into the blame game, it expects everyone to be aware and are annoyed when they find that isn't happening.  Hearing are not responsible for the fact we cannot hear.  As regards including us, that requires awareness that even WE cannot agree on, and skills others don't have, or see a need to acquire.  Do they learn BSL in the off-chance they may meet some deaf who use it?  they don't.  Learners tend to be family, friends, or support, few actually qualified.

The fact most deaf turn up with a 3rd party support also suggests there is nil need for others to make the effort, visibly they see support is already there.  Campaign-wise deaf demanding that.   If we are honest it requires most deaf or HoH to step away from what support reliance they have, and present at the 'coal  face.'  This would promote awareness of what is required, only 'demand' does that, not campaigns.  Naturally, there are deaf (And HoH), who cannot cope doing that, so catch 22 tends to always exist and be a 'brake' on real inclusion.  That is the minority within the minority, but the awareness is blanket and doesn't ID that fact.

Near me they promote 'Mentors' as well, it had a LOT of opposition from people who saw it as a 'recruitment drive' to promote systems and attitudes that have long gone.  Ideally, a 'Mentor' would be (A) Someone like yourself, and (B) Someone who succeeds in the mainstream and is able to function in or outside the 'community'. 

What we saw were Deaf sign users who promoted the 'Deaf' way of life and sign language and culture, with no emphasis whatever of surviving, adapting, or managing the hearing world outside it, the 'mentors' offered no encouragement to move outward, it was non-inclusion based mentoring, and promotion of the cultural mantra.  Most had little or no experience in the mainstream and had lived a life in the deaf community.

We questioned the validity of such mentoring in regards to awareness, or inclusion as they were basically promoting own versions of both, and, without valid inclusive experience to pass on, neutral and unbiased mentoring never took place. It all goes back to education which in deaf terms is a mess of rights and ignorance mostly.  To be honest, it's a harsh world out there, and the sooner all are taught mechanisms to cope with it the easier some of it gets.

Deaf or any specialist education by default, 'protects' the child from these realities, a natural response, but, they aren't in specialist schools for life, and may well not get specialist support/care they need after either.  They are blissfully unaware until formative education (And state responsibility), ceases as adults, then chips on shoulders occur, blaming others goes on, isolation then seems preferable to fighting the corner, and of course, most can't, they were not taught how.  They don't challenge aspects of specialist deaf education because they felt included, supported and safe there.

Mainstreaming has thrown a spanner in that work.  I think it needs a generation or two to work effectively, to re-write 100 years before it that was dedicated to isolating them and viewing them as retarded or something.  Little wonder some deaf hark back to the 'good old days' of deaf schools etc.  They had a shock when they left them that they were unprepared for.  It is still the thrust of deaf campaigns to revert to such systems, but this time with their own school curriculums based on a signed approach and a cultural-based curriculum. 

This guarantees a Deaf community survives.   Personally, I don't think they have any chance of that happening.  Like Martha's Vineyard, young deaf have seen a door of opportunity opening and they don't want people closing it on them.  It's 2021 now not the 19thc.

There are so many advances today, deaf are ARE in there pitching, and good on them, so we have to defend that right. 'Back to the future'  was an escapist film,  we can't live in the past.  We can't live in an elitist deaf community either, where sign is all or else, young deaf don't care for culture, they do care for having the same as hearing peers, and know what is required for getting it.   That isn't sitting in a deaf club with deaf peers blaming everyone else.

Unfortunately, the state of inclusion/Diversity/respect and awareness is crazy at present and unviable.  Only the loudest and most extreme voice is going to be heard.   It does seem the more diversity demands, the less tolerance there is as a result. Deaf or disabled cannot insulate themselves from that.
Health and Disability / Re: Covid jab
« Last post by Fiz on 15 Sep 2021 09:20AM »
As an aside, a friend has been waiting for spine surgery for many months, she's in intense pain and can do very little and is on very strong pain relief despite not being able to leave the house. She has had surgery cancelled 3 times in the last month due to lack of ICU beds, she has adrenal insufficiency so is a high risk patient and needs an ICU bed on standby though if she's stable she may go from theatre recovery to HCU. One of the cancellations was on the day and she'd got to the hospital. Each time she has been told that ICU is full mostly of unvaccinated patients with Covid. She's furious at people turning down the vaccines because people like her can't have their surgeries etc.
Health and Disability / Re: Covid jab
« Last post by Fiz on 15 Sep 2021 07:58AM »
My son and his partner had Covid, the partner pretty badly so I suspect with their being one bathroom and kitchen the teen probably had Covid despite no symptoms so probably has a level of immunity.
Cafe / Re: Old age catching up.
« Last post by lankou on 15 Sep 2021 06:46AM »
That's not old age catching up, it's a good night's partying catching up. 

Actually it wasn't.  I was camped with a few other of the clinically extremely vulnerable at a quiet location in darkest Gloucestershire. No partying involved.
Cafe / Re: Old age catching up.
« Last post by Sunny Clouds on 14 Sep 2021 09:46PM »
I went to a grey-haired dance class today.  The caller/instructor had done a wonderful job of adapting the dances.  Lots of dances we'd normally do with touching hands, holding hands, interleaving arms etc. done without contact, albeit quite a few near-misses because most of us have our "Oops, was I supposed to be moving to the right not the left?  Oh dear!" moments.

I came away realising that it's not old I personally feel now.  Somewhere along the line, during the pandemic, after so much "Where did my life go?" ruminations, a bit of me thought "Ok, new life, next stage."  I'm not sure how that happened.

I'm still feeling brain-fogged when I get in, as I was before the pandemic, but to a manageable degree.
Cafe / Re: Old age catching up.
« Last post by Sunny Clouds on 14 Sep 2021 08:57PM »
That's not old age catching up, it's a good night's partying catching up.  Posh cocktails or cheapo booze by the barrelful?

What d'you mean, it was just tea?  Boring.

Have you got any girlies with you?  Good quality sanitary towels can absorb quite a bit and be thrown out in the morning (but don't bother with tampons).

'Scuse me while I just go and turn a tap on to make you overflow the container, oldie!
Health and Disability / Re: Covid jab
« Last post by Sunny Clouds on 14 Sep 2021 08:53PM »
I think it varies a lot with the individual youngster  but I see it the way I see things like exercise for children.  If your child cycles or uses a skateboard or rides or climbs or whatever, there's a risk of injury, but if they don't, there's the physical and mental risks attached to not getting exercise and fresh air and fun.  So vaccines carry a risk, but it's relative risk.

I suppose the other thing that's very difficult to quantify is the matter of passing the virus on.  Even if you're vaccinated, you can pass it on, but it seems from what I've read that you're less likely to.  It's hard to get good statistics for that, though, because of symptomless covid.

I find the only a few months argument puzzling.  If I had a child and someone said "Your child's terribly good at cycling, so I don't suppose there's not much chance of injury if there's a careless motorist, but I can let you have a helmet for them.  I'm afraid you can only have it a few months, and it doesn't completely guarantee your child wouldn't get concussion if they get knocked off their bike, but it reduces the risk." I'd accept the offer of the helmet for a few months. 

That's set me musing, though, on what short term and longer-term forms of protection we do or don't use in our lives.
Cafe / Old age catching up.
« Last post by lankou on 14 Sep 2021 04:10PM »
When you realise in the middle of the night when camping that the two litre urine container is not big enough.
Health and Disability / Re: Covid jab
« Last post by lankou on 14 Sep 2021 04:08PM »

I have to say if I was the parent of a school aged teen I wouldn't be giving my teen the vaccine.

Surely that is their decision to make.
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