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Cafe / Re: Annoying neighbours
« Last post by Sunny Clouds on 22 Oct 2021 11:48PM »
Futher thoughts - would it tempt children to be silly in my front garden if I put silly signs up?  "Playing on my lawn limited to 7 minutes and 53 seconds except on Tuesdays" or "Scooter racing on my drive limited to 4.396 mph." 

Incidentally, at no time am I suggesting that children should run around my garden if their parents tell them not to. 
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Cafe / Re: Annoying neighbours
« Last post by Sunny Clouds on 22 Oct 2021 09:01PM »
Maybe I'm going about it the wrong way.  Maybe I should tell them not to come in my garden.  I think I might try that plus some sort of challenge so they feel they've won one over on me if they do something.

I hate the fact that so many children don't have the freedom I did as a child.

I found some children had been in my back garden and I've just been musing that I should have put a sign up saying "Apple scrumping only permitted on Tuesdays and Thursdays" to tempt them to pick them at the weekend.  I don't think they felt able to pick my apples at all.
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Cafe / Annoying neighbours (if only they were!)
« Last post by Sunny Clouds on 22 Oct 2021 05:55PM »
It's a while now since I told the neighbours I was annoyed about their having moved their basketball net.  It's been right up against the low fence, so that balls come over into my garden and the children run round to fetch them.

Then they moved the net away.  I told them I wasn't happy about that.  How am I supposed to enjoy the sight of children running across my lawn, smiling and waving if they see me, if the net isn't there?  The children promised to throw balls over instead, but it's not happening.

How are childless people like me supposed to enjoy children if they won't invade my garden?

Some other kids stopped by to say hello the other day and I invited them to race their scooters on my drive, and they seemed to enjoy it, but they haven't been back, or if they have, not when I've seen them. Would it really be too much for them to invade my drive for a couple of minutes on the way home from school?

I'm getting fed up with these well-behaved kids. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of a little care. When we were having some communal get-togethers on some open space, there were children running round while we were chatting, and they were doing a great job of keeping a couple of metres away from us as they ran back and forth between our socially-distanced individuals and family groups.  But at least they understood that it's the role of children to have fun.

I mean, I set an example by having fun invading the local cats' territory in order to get to my front door.  Some of them even say hello instead of looking snarly.

Harumph. :f_whistle:
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Cafe / Re: Pandemic safety in Ouchtoo?
« Last post by Sunny Clouds on 22 Oct 2021 05:02PM »
Erm, well, fairly freshly...you can't catch the chocolate virus online, can you?

'scuse me, I'm just off to wash, erm, I mean, er, something...
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Cafe / Re: Pandemic safety in Ouchtoo?
« Last post by KizzyKazaer on 22 Oct 2021 04:54PM »
I hope you're using freshly washed and sanitised hands to type your posts....
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Talk / Re: Wearing a face covering in public
« Last post by Sunny Clouds on 22 Oct 2021 04:15PM »
As for the bus thing, OtE, I find buses very stressful to say the least.

That being said, on my local buses, the unwritten rule most people seem to obey is that unmasked people go upstairs or at the back, unless they need to be in the buggy bays. 

I don't know what the situation is in Wales, but here we've got the rules that cover most of England (but not, I believe, London?) whereby there are no laws or bylaws requiring masks on buses, but bus companies are free to set their own terms and conditions.

Various bus companies operate near me, but all require masks.  But as with your local buses, drivers aren't making a fuss with unmasked passengers.

I can't see what they're supposed to do, though.  As you point out, if people find they're getting challenged, they can always go and buy a sunflower lanyard.  It might have been to the point to get a system in place for applying for and getting some sort of exempt status, but the government wasn't going to be able to do that, even if it wanted to, having already effectively destroyed our health assessment system for other purposes such as benefits.

Also, whilst I find it frustrating when people don't wear masks, in all seriousness, when you read what's written online, I do believe that a lot of people out there now believe that wearing a mask is dangerous because it makes you re-breathe in your own exhaled breath and...well, the explanations then vary.  So if you've read or heard over and over and over again that masks are dangerous and harm you, why mightn't you become genuinely afraid of wearing one?

How would a formal exemption scheme handle that?

So whilst I want to scream my head off not just with fury but with, genuinely, fear when I get on a bus with lots of unmasked people, I think communication's been handled in a way that means that if now we had a formal assessment for exemption scheme, lots of people would be genuinely exempt now who wouldn't otherwise be, because they are genuinely scared.

That doesn't fix your bus problem, just maybe next time you get on a bus, maybe it might help a little to know you're not the only one feeling frustrated.

Oh, and the lanyard thing - different aspect - abuse of it is particularly problematic for those of us with hidden disabilities, isn't it?
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Cafe / Pandemic safety in Ouchtoo?
« Last post by Sunny Clouds on 22 Oct 2021 04:03PM »
Shouldn't there be bigger gaps between the posts in each thread, and shouldn't there be masks on the emoticons?

And those hug things - shouldn't they be elbow-bumps?

Doesn't matter?  You think I'm long-winded now - if I get long-covid, you'll never hear the end of it, or, more to the point, read the end of it, unless you move your mask up over your eyes.

Oh well, for now we'll have to settle for socially distanced smiles.

 :f_smiley: ................... :f_smiley:
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Talk / Re: Wearing a face covering in public
« Last post by Sunny Clouds on 22 Oct 2021 03:04PM »
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Do they think the virus travels through the air in a straight line, and bounces off the perspex?

I think you raise a very valid point.  I don't think most of us do give much thought to how any of these things work; but if they do, the amount of contradictory information we've been given is a problem.

On the other hand, I don't think exhaled breath on a visor worn as an alternative to a face mask for pandemic reasons is much different from exhaled breath on visors worn for other reasons, e.g. helmet visors.  If you think of it, typically the bit that steams up first on a cold day is typically the bit in front of your mouth and nose, not the bits round the edge. 

My understanding is that when you exhale, it's the droplets going in a straight line that travel fastest, and that more droplets go in a straight line than round the edge. So even though an everyday visor won't stop all the droplets, just like an everyday mask won't, it'll considerably reduce the proportion of them travelling in a straight line towards others who are inhaling and towards things we are looking at, which may well be the things people are more likely to touch.

Then again, for protecting ourselves (and I appreciate that that's a secondary purpose with everyday masks and visors as opposed to N95 ones) I suppose again I'm influenced by my experience wearing masks in a work context and for DIY.  A cheap mask or visor from a builder's merchants won't stop everything coming my way, but there's plenty of DIY I wouldn't do without one.  Likewise, when my immune system is grumpy, wearing a simple mask in bed won't stop all the pollen and tree mould spores getting in, but it'll keep enough out to mean I'm not waking every few minutes to cough and spit or snort and spit.

I wish, though, that we had the slogan "My mask protects you, your mask protects me" splashed all over billboards and the sides of buses.
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Which brings me back full circle to education.  Adapting for different needs, accepting that we're not all alike and that pushing someone to be good at something that either they're never going to be good at or that it will cause them mental or emotional damage to try to be good at is wasting human resources.

There is a child who lives not far from me who is on the autistic spectrum.  Leaving aside technicalities, what I, as someone living not very far away, observe is that he doesn't feel comfortable with what I'll call social interaction, but he can suddenly open up if he thinks there's something he knows stuff about that the other person, which could be a grown-up, doesn't.  I gather from others that he's dead good with computers. 

Fortunately, he goes to the sort of school that accepts difference and focusses on what pupils can do or can't do, but that's been severely damaged in our education system, or at least in England it has (I'm aware there are differences in the devolved parts of the UK, but not knowledgeable about them).  Academies trying to meet targets and offrolling.  Aargh.

If I want someone to look after my garden, do I want someone with good grades in maths and English or whatever, or do I want someone who knows which plants like it where and how to nurture them?  I know where my priorities lie.  And if they can't read the catalogue in the nursery, does the trader really care most about that or do they care how many plants they'll sell them? 

I was, I believe, horribly damaged by many of my educational experiences, yet other experiences I had were uplifting.  Hence my strong views on education.

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Talk / Re: Wearing a face covering in public
« Last post by Sunny Clouds on 22 Oct 2021 01:08PM »
There is research evidence that shows that even quite cheap and basic masks can offer a useful degree of protection.  They don't have to catch every droplet of moisture in your breath to protect those around you from viral particles in the moisture, just catch some and slow down the rest so they don't go so far before dispersing or falling to the ground.

As for face visors and the virus, no they won't trap it all, but insofar as the moisture droplets are redirected downwards, there is then a good  chance that they will land on your clothing or, if they go anywhere, be spread in a loose mist and fall, not be projected strongly towards someone else's face.  But as you say, yes, social distancing also matters. 


I think that in addition to those that feel uncomfortable wearing masks, one of the main reasons why people in this country aren't wearing them is that our government hasn't stressed enough how you can pass on the virus whilst symptomless, so lots of people think "I don't need to wear a mask because I haven't go the virus so I can't pass it on.  People are safe round me if I don't wear a mask."

Mind you, there are still some politicians out there that speak as if the main person we're protecting when we wear an ordinary mask is ourselves as opposed to mainly others and to a lesser extent ourselves.  I suppose they think that'll sell the idea of wearing them better.
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