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On the edge:
Boris is to invest millions in the disabled and their care, I wonder what that means in real terms?  It was said this week, £1.8 Billion is to go to the disabled, does anyone believe a word of that?  In Wales they were discussing a Universal 'wage' for all, including disabled a one size/wage for everyone, like that will work!  That is a lot of door widening and safety bars aint it?   Today the DWP minister (A complete stranger to me!), said welfare cuts enable, and lots of ex-criminals will get help, welcome to la-la land.

Sunny Clouds:
I thought universal wage was supposed to work like universal basic basic income, the trials of which around the world have varied massively.  There was a trial that seemed to involve also cutting the equivalent of PIP etc.  (I'm trying to remember where it was - I think Ottawa, but I'd need to check).  But it hasn't been done like that everywhere.  Introduced well in some areas, it has shown promise.

In some ways, it can be seen as being like a tax allowance.  After all, why should we have tax allowances?  Why allow us to earn a certain amount or get a certain amount of capital gain without paying for it?

Or what about use of public services?  There are lots of public services we get without having to pay for them, e.g. because of exemptions arising from age, disability, impoverishment, temporary residence etc.  (Though I'm sure there are plenty of politicians and profiteers who'd like to change that.)

There are places in the world where they provide collectively, without payment by individual, what one could call a 'ration' that could be seen as an equivalent of a bit of UBI.  Depending on where you are in the world, you might be able to benefit without payment unless you can afford to chip into collective taxation from 'free' water, wifi, education, healthcare, grazing land, foraged food, drainage, fire service, public transport, shelter, legal representation...

We have some of those, e.g. a lot of healthcare and emergency services, although successive governments have been privatising as many of those that they can.  

However, in relation to what could be done in the way of UBI or universal wage or similar, power to pay extra benefits is devolved, but to my knowledge power to cut existing benefits isn't.  So I don't see this Welsh proposal as being about cutting disability benefits.

That being said, if you asked me whether I thought Boris and his mob would introduce UBI if they thought it could be used to sneak in cuts to disability benefits/support, then I'd say yes, I think they'd do anything they could to pursue 'small state' and that I now, at the risk of being seen as melodramatic and paranoid, see them as eugenecist.

As for your scepticism about the £1.8 billion, I think you're mistaken.  I think he will introduce it.  Of course, he'll probably use it as an excuse to cut at least three times as much in other benefits...oh, I see what you mean...

Sunny Clouds:
I just checked, the Welsh proposal is UBI.

That being said, there have been quite a few variations on how it's been tried out.

The pros include reducing a load of bureaucracy in relation to making people out of work seek work, which trials show doesn't decrease the  number of people on UBI getting into work.  It can also reduce healthcare costs and various costs relating to homelessness and what I'll call 'poverty crime' (e.g. stealing basic food, sanitary towels etc., trespassing for shelter etc.)

The cons include the whole tangled issue of incapacity for work, disability etc., because either you don't give an uplift to pay for extra needs, or you have some form of assessment for them, in which case what have you saved as against incapacity benefits anyway? 

Well, apart from reducing the number of assessments, which our government is proposing in relation to PIP & UC.  But then they're proposing merging PIP with UC.  Hmm - making it means-tested, eh?  Surely not.  Well if merging with UC didn't mean means-testing, why have legacy ESA and legacy JSA?  Will we have legacy PIP?  If so, will it be NI based like legacy ESA & JSA, or not?  If not, what's the point in merging?

I'm not anti-UBI in principle, because I believe that when well-implemented, it can be a very positive thing, although I'd rather see more communal free basics provision instead, like free water, free milk for children, free basic first aid stuff, free basic nutrition such as vitamin pills or milk.

But I wouldn't trust Boris's mob (or recent governments of other political persuasions) not to use it as an excuse for cuts.

Sorry to sound so gloomy on yet another thread.  OtE - you and I may perhaps have different views on aspects of UBI as a concept, but I think we agree on the likelihood of its being used in some way as a use to cut support for disabled people.

ditchdwellers:
I don't trust any of the bonkers bonkers ideas and proposed policies that Boris et al are spouting at the moment. 

This article in today's Guardian talks about disability support, including the idea of a Access to Work Passport that you can show an employer detailing what exactly, it doesn't say. Why not just tattoo my forehead with something derogatory or microchip me instead? 
Sorry, feeling got at today from all sides of bloody beaurocracy. 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/28/uk-ministers-lay-out-most-ambitious-plan-for-disabled-workers

On the edge:

--- Quote from: ditchdwellers on 28 Jul 2021 12:05PM ---I don't trust any of the bonkers bonkers ideas and proposed policies that Boris et al are spouting at the moment.

This article in today's Guardian talks about disability support, including the idea of a Access to Work Passport that you can show an employer detailing what exactly, it doesn't say. Why not just tattoo my forehead with something derogatory or microchip me instead?
Sorry, feeling got at today from all sides of bloody beaurocracy.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/28/uk-ministers-lay-out-most-ambitious-plan-for-disabled-workers

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There are two versions of this passport idea, one with regards to the funding of A2W, the other more general and 'inclusive' proposed by the TUC which is confusing more than anything as it is more a 'reminder' to your employer what they have to provide for you more than anything, it is no passport TO a job par se.  I am unsure waving this reminder in employers faces has much mileage. In fact the civil service has such a passport already.  Anyone who is assuming such a passport means plain sailing to support in getting a job or indeed keeping it, is I suspect, doomed to some disappointment.

As others have said Boris is very unlikely to give us anything without cutting something else, its juggling figures really.  The DWP will stop allowances elsewhere because they say the state is giving you money/support.  If you get a grant for a wider door or something then your DWP award goes down at the same time I expect, the DWP assuming your 'problem' has been solved..  UBI doesn't work for disabled because by default you need more than able-bodied do for basics.  Covid has hit my savings hard, e.g. I had to use taxis near everywhere when public transport locally  closed virtually, and we were/are still advised not to use them. There are no 'allowances' for deaf to get help with that.

I'd like to see an allowance for deaf or hearing loss help, to empower us to 'buy in' our communication support as and when we need it.  We become the 'employers' of our support, not the state direct.  The state only empowers our access to  THEM nowhere else, whereas we would want to use support to access more of society etc and social areas this would assist equality and more integration.  It was discussed many times, but our paid help has said no way do they want us to employ them, they said deaf would exploit it and make support impossible, 68% don't use professional help now, and could use any award, for pocket money or to pay relatives.  DLA did this at the start with deaf students claiming it was extra beer money to them.

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