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Forum => News and Current Affairs. => Topic started by: Offworld on 19 Feb 2019 12:19PM

Title: typical DWP spin
Post by: Offworld on 19 Feb 2019 12:19PM
Would need someone in a better condition than I'm in at present to precisely demolish the set of DWP assertions (as shown below) ...
https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/but/viewthread/14120/ (http://"https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/but/viewthread/14120/")
But overall, their statement projects a sense of the DWP, its ministers and related apparatchiks being smug, gloating, sadistic and thoroughly malevolent.
So nothing new there....  :-(

sorry, seem to have messed up inserting url so it isn't acting as a live link
Title: Re: typical DWP spin
Post by: lankou on 19 Feb 2019 12:26PM
This link works:-  https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/forums/but/viewthread/14120/
Title: Re: typical DWP spin
Post by: Monic1511 on 19 Feb 2019 09:24PM
I don't like links so have dumped the content here (sorry just a thing of mine)

Make DLA/ PIP assessment companies liable for wrongly rejected claims
 masterclass in statistics!!
Make DLA/ PIP assessment companies liable for wrongly rejected claims
Countless disabled and individuals severely in need are not being awarded what they are rightly entitled to. Furthermore, those already in recipient of DLA/PIP are having their awards completely taken away. Companies must be fined when appeals succeed to make them assess claims properly.
Government responded
This response was given on 18 February 2019
DWP is committed to ensuring people who claim PIP receive high quality, objective assessments. Decisions are based on all the evidence available, including that provided by the claimant.
The Government is fully committed to supporting disabled people and determined that support should be focused on people who need it most. We are also committed to ensuring those with health conditions and disabilities are assessed fairly for Personal Independence Payment (PIP) to ensure they receive the right level of support. Under PIP, 31% of claimants are receiving the highest level of support compared to 15% under its predecessor, Disability Living Allowance (DLA). And 39% of those who were previously in receipt of DLA are receiving more under PIP than they did so previously.
Of the 3.7 million PIP decisions made, 10% have been appealed and 5% overturned at appeal. In other words, 9 in 10 of all PIP claims are made and completed without appeal and 1 in 20 have a successful appeal made against them, in many instances as a result of new evidence not previously available to the Assessment Providers (APs).
Assessments are carried out by suitably trained Health Professionals (HPs) working within a quality assured, managed environment. The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has set clear requirements on the professions, skills, experience and training of the HPs that our assessment providers can use to carry out PIP assessments and all are registered with an appropriate professional body, for example the General Medical Council (GMC), Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) or the Health and Care Professions Council (HCPC).
In addition to their profession, DWP recognises the importance of ensuring individuals also have sufficient experience, skills and training. All PIP HPs must complete a comprehensive training programme approved by DWP and pass an assessment of competence before they can carry out assessments.
HPs do not need to be an expert in a particular condition to assess its impact on a claimant’s daily living and mobility activities. The assessment is not designed to diagnose or give a clinical prognosis. Instead, the emphasis is on ensuring that the HPs are experts in disability analysis, focusing on the effects of health conditions and impairments on the individual claimant’s daily life. The role differs from the therapeutic role of healthcare professionals in reaching a diagnosis and/or planning treatment.
Independent audit function has been rolled out across the AP contracts and this is used to judge how they are performing against set targets to ensure that the advice provided to DWP is of suitable quality, fully explained and justified. DWP also sets the APs a target for no more than 3% of the reports they submit to the Department being deemed unacceptable, above which a ‘no pay’ mechanism is applied. Reports are reviewed against the quality of the opinion given, information gathering, the use of further evidence and process. Both APs also have formal complaints procedures in place, which DWP monitors, and claimants who are not satisfied with a provider’s response to their complaint can escalate their complaint directly to the Independent Case Examiner.
Information provided by people who claim PIP plays an important part in the process and claimants are encouraged to supply relevant medical evidence or to provide the details of Care Workers or Healthcare Professionals working with them. HPs will consider each case individually and decide whether further evidence would help inform their advice to DWP, for example if there is doubt about the level of function or if it is required in order to provide robust advice.
Decisions on entitlement to PIP are made by DWP Case Managers (CM), not the APs. The CM will consider all the available evidence when making their decision. Such evidence may include the claimant questionnaire (PIP2: How your disability affects you), any additional evidence the claimant has provided e.g. from a carer, any further evidence that the AP has obtained and the report from the HP working for the AP.
If a claimant is dissatisfied with the outcome of their decision they can ask for a Mandatory Reconsideration (MR) by DWP. Claimants are encouraged to send in additional information if they have it and CMs can ask for additional advice from the APs if needed. If a person remains dissatisfied following their MR they can directly lodge an appeal with Her Majesty’s Courts and Tribunals Service (HMCTS).
The main reasons for decisions being overturned at Tribunal is a combination of the person’s oral evidence and Tribunals reaching a different conclusion based on the same evidence. In other words, for the majority of cases it would be too absolute to conclude that the original decision, based on evidence including the HPs report, was wrong.
But DWP is not complacent and is working closely with both PIP APs and HMCTS to get more comprehensive feedback about how tribunals consider HP reports and how that will not only inform decision making but more importantly drive up the quality of the decisions made.
Department for Work and Pensions
Title: Re: typical DWP spin
Post by: Fiz on 22 Feb 2019 09:48AM
Thank you for that content Monic

My take on the DWP post was I think it could work if the APs were correctly trained. The fact that so many blatantly lie about what they've seen and heard is the crux of the problem imo. Also "only" 10% of claimants appeal. They don't know the percentage of claimants incorrectly turned down but are simply too unwell to go through the appeal process. The fact that I know of people fitting that scenario leads me to believe that percentage would be significant.
Title: Re: typical DWP spin
Post by: Sunshine Meadows on 23 Feb 2019 08:22AM
Thank you Monic,

I also followed the link and saw that the person who posted the information on Rightsnet had said ' A masterclass in statistics!!'

I was thinking much the same eg when the DWP says
Under PIP, 31% of claimants are receiving the highest level of support compared to 15% under its predecessor, Disability Living Allowance (DLA). And 39% of those who were previously in receipt of DLA are receiving more under PIP than they did so previously.

It fails to mention that PIP only has two rates for the Care criteria and DLA had three. It made me wonder if as PIP was being designed there was a deliberate attempt to have aspects which look good and dont cost too much. We don't know how much the DWP was really supposed to save when people were transferred from DLA to PIP


The DWP says that 471,000 DLA claimants who were receipt of the higher mobility rate of DLA had been reassessed by 31 October 2107.
Its FoI response says that:
  • 241,920 (52%) were awarded the enhanced PIP mobility rate;
  • 65,200 (25%) had their benefit reduced to the standard PIP mobility rate; and
  • 65,200 (23%) lost their mobility rate entitlement altogether.

You make a good point about appeals which would also apply to complaints. I am left wondering how many people feel they should have to also to complain when they disagree with a decision and go to Manadatory Consideration then Appeal. Claiming PIP is not the same as buying a tv because it can feel like complaining rocks the boat and could affect out benefits.
Title: Re: typical DWP spin
Post by: Monic1511 on 23 Feb 2019 09:55AM
Re complaining, some tribunals will ask if you complained to the assessment company that the report is inaccurate. If you say yes they see it as a way of getting less bad reports but if you say no they sometimes think that it’s because most of the report is true.

I just wish more folk would follow the appeal process all the way through. I called 1 man to discuss his appeal only to be told I’m not going they haven’t changed their minds before and won’t now. He then hung up. >steam< Why bother if you’re not gonna go all the way?
Title: Re: typical DWP spin
Post by: Fiz on 08 Mar 2019 06:26AM
To lose all hope is awful.  The statistic say the majority of people who do take it through to trial, win.