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Jockice

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Right to Die?
« on: 24 Aug 2012 06:54PM »
(I have split this topic from the Tony Nicklinson thread as it's moved on to a general debate about assisted suicide etc - KK)


Quite surprised to see this in The Sun.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4502271/I-was-like-a-shell-and-my-parents-were-told-to-wait-for-my-death-Then-I-started-coming-back-to-life.html
« Last Edit: 25 Aug 2012 07:48PM by KizzyKazaer »

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Re: Right to Die?
« Reply #1 on: 24 Aug 2012 08:37PM »
it may be well time to separate church and state, having read the comments on the Sun write up. How can a religion which claims to love everyone, demand that they suffer

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« Reply #2 on: 25 Aug 2012 11:17AM »
I believe some religions hold that suffering is good for the soul. Seems like institutionalised cruelty to me.

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« Reply #3 on: 25 Aug 2012 12:35PM »
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Which is why I am sure that the law will have to change at some point.  All it needs is for some film or pop star or an MP to have the same thing and then Parliament will sit up and realise that the law needs tweeking.

The trouble is, Auntie, there is a disabled peer in the House of Lords, Lady Campbell of Surbiton, who does not agree with assisted dying and blocks everything to do with it. She refuses to take on board that not everyone's life is like hers. 

As long as she lives, there *never* will be assisted dying in Britain as she states that the majority of disabled people are against assisted dying.

She is a very powerful person, who I belive is extremely selfish.  Just because *she* fears assisted suicide it does not mean that all of us do.

 Everyone should  have the right of choice, which she continues to deny to every person in Britain.

In other countries where assisted suicide is allowed, it has not caused older people and disabled people to be bumped off.

When I feel it is my time to come I would prefer to die at home with my friends around me.  Not have to go on my own to Switzerland, which is what she is consigning me to.  The bitch.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/jul/07/disabled-peer-against-assisted-suicide

« Last Edit: 26 Aug 2012 09:10AM by Yvette »

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Re: Right to Die?
« Reply #4 on: 25 Aug 2012 01:12PM »
Everyone should  have the right of choice

And at the end of the day, that's all it comes down to for me with the assisted suicide/euthanasia debate.  If people want to stay alive despite having impairments that might seem terrible to others, then fair enough, that should be respected and they should be helped to live as comfortable a life as possible.  By the same token, if other people with similar severe impairments have had enough and the life they have is unbearable to them, then they should be helped to end it if they cannot physically do it for themselves.  That also should be respected.  The key element is that the person affected has total control of the decision either way.

How dare anybody assume that what is right for them is right for others. 


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« Last Edit: 25 Aug 2012 01:16PM by KizzyKazaer »

Jockice

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« Reply #5 on: 25 Aug 2012 01:31PM »
There's a debate going on about this on my other home, Facebook, between two former posters on here. I'm friends with one yet can't stand the other...yet it is the latter's views I agree with. Another dilemma.

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« Reply #6 on: 25 Aug 2012 05:02PM »
May I suggest that a debate on this subject be separated.
People who knew Tony Nicklinson, such as his family might see this and be upset.

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« Reply #7 on: 25 Aug 2012 07:39PM »
As it's moved on to a general debate, I agree - topic now split  >thumbsup<

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« Reply #8 on: 25 Aug 2012 08:36PM »
In my view this debate is always screwed up by those who believe that because there is a some risk that some people would try to coerce / persuade / influence their disabled relatives into accepting euthanasia (which is effectively murder and  not  the voluntary euthanasia that the rest of us are arguing for) that alone should prevent anyone having the option to choose.

I believe voluntary euthanasia should be available in the UK, to those who are currently able to communicate their desire for it, from a new profession of people who are not doctors, but who are especially trained to evaluate whether the person is making the request voluntarily and, if they are, to help them to carry out their wish.   Protections can be built into the process to ensure that the person is not being coerced or encouraged (not least, interviewing the person without any relatives etc. present so they are free to speak their mind).

regards, Deb
« Last Edit: 25 Aug 2012 09:03PM by devine63 »

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Re: Right to Die?
« Reply #9 on: 25 Aug 2012 08:53PM »
It's a slippery slope argument that people who aren't and can't imagine ever being in the position of needing it. Same as usual.

It's a terrible example but people readily put animals to sleep to stop them from suffering, why can't human beings be afforded the same respect? Nobody deserves to suffer to keep other people happy.
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« Reply #10 on: 25 Aug 2012 09:07PM »
It's a terrible example but people readily put animals to sleep to stop them from suffering, why can't human beings be afforded the same respect? Nobody deserves to suffer to keep other people happy.

Agreed. To keep some people alive is just cruel.

I am not sure where I stand on this. Part of me is all for it (it's unfair on the disabled person and their family - especially if they're going to die within the next few months or so) and part of me thinks it's going to be abused.

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« Reply #11 on: 25 Aug 2012 11:37PM »
Often in this debate those against voluntary euthanasia say that what people are 'really' asking for is better care.  Well actually no they are not.  Even with good quality care and support some people just want out.  It really bothers me when so called 'experts' know what others are 'really' saying.

From another thread you will see I am severely fed up with what fibro is doing to me, albeit not that fed up, but enough to make me realise that I might want to die one day but be unable to do it myself.  With effective treatment I would feel different but sometimes there just isn't any.

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« Reply #12 on: 26 Aug 2012 10:31AM »
I have similar ambivalent feelings to sofie. I have argued before about the risk of abuse.

Deb proposes some specialist arbiter to determine the true intent of the person seeking death and that may work. I am not sure what provision she would make for people who are unable to speak for themselves. Not everyone will have a living will.

I was also wondering what happens if they get it wrong, and it is subsequently found that the person did not want to die? I am not saying these are arguments for not allowing assisted suicide just that they need careful consideration and a policy for handling errors.

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« Reply #13 on: 26 Aug 2012 10:43AM »
Are you ready for controvesty




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« Reply #14 on: 26 Aug 2012 01:22PM »
Hi Oldtone

"Deb proposes some specialist arbiter to determine the true intent of the person seeking death and that may work. I am not sure what provision she would make for people who are unable to speak for themselves. Not everyone will have a living will."


I was quite careful to say voluntary euthanasia should be available to  "to those who are currently able to communicate their desire for it" - and by that I meant that those who are unlucky enough not to be able to communicate their current wishes (unless they had made an advance directive, in which case it could be considered) could not be offered voluntary euthanasia because they are unable to express their wishes and therefore it could not be voluntary.   I know that's not ideal, but it is the only way to avoid allegations of imposing death on someone who may not want it.

regards, Deb