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Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
« Reply #45 on: 28 Nov 2021 06:21PM »
Wow!

Mind you, of all the silly analogies I thought of when I saw her dancing that, I thought of army drill.  I don't mean the moves, I mean timing.

Sometimes when I say about my hearing and how I wore hearing aids in uniform but not usually on 'public duties', but that hearing loss was very common in my generation of soldiers anyway, people ask how I could do drill if I couldn't hear the commands properly, if at all.

I point out that a lot of the time noone heard them.  You watch the officer or sergeant major taking the parade/drill session.  Let's say he wants you to stand to attention.  It's a two part order.  "Parade!"  (or other word such as "Squad" "Company" etc.)  At that you 'brace up' pushing your arms that are locked behind your back down and standing tall, as it were.  Then he shouts "Parade, shun!" At the order 'shun', you move from the 'at ease' position, hands behind back, legs astride, to the 'attention' position, legs together, hands down side.

You don't need to hear it so long as you can see it.  He takes a deep breath then exhales.  You see his lip movements, his chest movements. 

Likewise most moves.  It helps to be able to hear a shout, but a lot of it is obvious.  You're marching along, you've got to go in a straight line and someone's shouting.  You watch others reacting.  It's got to be an eyes right or eyes left or saluting right or left.  You're not going to be saluting a building or doing eyes left to a general, so you know what you're doing.

Obviously, it's a lot harder dancing that amazingly without being able to hear, but I find dancing well mind boggling anyway.  It doesn't seem odd to me, though, to be dancing to rhythm not sound/music.

That being said, I love the way it's prompted discussion at my dance group and I hope it's done the same elsewhere. 

Maybe it'll even encourage more people to dance, not  just D/deaf people but hearing and HoH people who are, psychologically, more visual than audio.
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Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
« Reply #46 on: 29 Nov 2021 06:11AM »
Apparently they were scored only 33 by the judges for that dance, they've previously be given the maximum of 40 and 39 in previous weeks so didn't do so well this week. That placed them in the bottom half of the leader board. Rose is very popular with the public so I think their votes will save her for a while as the public vote is half their final scores. Although she's the bookies favourite to win, I think getting such a low score now means she's nowhere near favourite in the eyes of the judges skills wise.


I think this dance in particular was counting sunny yes. It's so clever that she continues to do the steps when facing away from her partner and I did wonder if the flashing lights might be flashing to the beat at those moments and that could help her.


The tabloids are gossiping about a possible romance between them that Giovanni made a public announcement yesterday denying that there's any truth in that. He's single but Rose has been in a relationship for a few years and I do wonder if the tabloid trashy speculation will mean they choose not to dance so closely together which could lose them marks in certain styles of dances. Boy do I hate tabloids. And the people that read them!

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Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
« Reply #47 on: 29 Nov 2021 12:22PM »
I don't follow Strictly however I'm enjoying reading about Rose and all of everyone's comments on the the dancing.


It would be a shame if the tabloid fantasies and gossip affect the way in which in which any of the competitors carry out their routines. I saw that earlier on Tilley Ramsay was in the news after a DJ made nasty remarks about her appearance. Bullying behaviour like this is totally unacceptable and unwarranted in any setting. The media have a lot to answer for.

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Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
« Reply #48 on: 29 Nov 2021 12:50PM »
Most media outlets just want the revenue and to plug the political views of their proprietors. 

They particularly like to set up situations they can get good stories from, so bigging someone up then attacking them if they're not perfect is great for the sales/clicks.

My favourite example of this two-faced reporting is the way so many 'red tops' have, for decades, been critical of motorists being fined for speeding.  Apparently speed cameras are an unreasonable way to make money.  That keeps a chunk of their car-driving readership happy, and better still for them, encouraging speeding can help to ensure they get an ongoing supply of stories about nasty accidents. 

This approach is also now working nicely with expressing outrage over people having to pay fines for driving in places they're not supposed to like cycle lanes, bus lanes, certain sorts of restricted-access areas.

So bigging up contestants in shows then toppling them is logically a great revenue earner.  Even better, do story after story suggesting the issue of whether they're wonderful or dreadful is very controversial.

(I suspect it may be a tad obvious just how much I hate this aspect of many media outlets.)

(Edited just for typo.)
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Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
« Reply #49 on: 29 Nov 2021 01:29PM »
I think part of the reason for this story is that a number of Strictly celebs have formed relationships with their professional dance partners as they spend SO much time together so the tabloids are dying to be the first to have "outed" the couple but what they don't care a fig about is the lack of evidence and Rose's long term relationship which can ONLY be harmed by their stories. They don't care at all about the people they gossip about. Giovanni has denied it in a statement, I just hope that makes the tabloids shut up on the subject and let the dancers do the best they can in the competition. It was sad to see the tabloid rumours but it didn't surprise me as the speculation happens every year about one couple. I hate tabloids with a passion, they are circling vultures.

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Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
« Reply #50 on: 29 Nov 2021 01:58PM »
No, they don't care.
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Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
« Reply #51 on: 05 Dec 2021 09:59AM »
Kadeena shared with the other camp mates how her disability affects her, mostly with extreme fatigue and weakness and how the only thing she can do is rest when it hits. She also shared how difficult it is being a part time wheelchair user and how people don't understand it.


Then the next day she takes part in a grueling physical task for 3 hours, goes back to camp and as part of the allotted tasks she's one of two people who have to cook daily and she's tired and tetchy and annoyed that the other cook who wasn't part of the task and had done nothing all day hadn't started preparing and cooking. That sparked words between her and the other cook who didn't understand why they just couldn't cook it all later at the mealtime not understanding that she'll have run out of spoons by then. He obviously didn't take in or understand how complete extreme fatigue is when she shared it. I've seen a lot of negative comments by the public towards her about her tetchiness and how she shouldn't be cooking rice early etc so the public despite viewing that whole conversation about fatigue and weakness have no compassion towards her at all. I really feel for her. As someone who in the last couple of years experiences extreme fatigue and how sometimes I just cry due to it and having always been a calm patient person, now feel irritable when overwhelmed and how horrid that is experiencing that too. She is very brave putting herself through this experience as the tasks and the daily life is really physically and emotionally challenging. I hope the public don't give her a hard time and don't repeatedly vote her to do the tasks.

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Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
« Reply #52 on: 05 Dec 2021 11:02AM »
I know I sometimes mention in various threads that meme that crops up of the person in the supermarket in a wheelchair who stands up to get something off a shelf and therefore must be faking it.

I'm still angry that ABC television never took down their What Would You Do episode from Youtube with the scenario of a woman using a supermarket mobility scooter and getting out to walk a bit, seemingly non-disabled.  Even people with named conditions like POTS, which is less often seen as 'all in the mind' than some others like ME/CFS, have protested, ABC hasn't even added a disclaimer.

So long as the media makes money out of these memes and people wanting lots of clicks/shares on their social media accounts use them without qualification, people will continue to buy into the notion that anyone that can do something energetic then suddenly wilts must be faking it.

Well, unless they're a non-paralympic sports person and wilts a bit after running an ultra-marathon.  That's not 'faking' it because it's 'normal' to wilt then.

But then our society can't get its head round other sorts of limits to what people can cope with, including non-disabled people.  If politicians or the media want to slag off doctors, for instance, they won't mention the significantly high mental breakdown rates or the doctors that wear incontinence pads because they can't get toilet breaks. 

So they have to slag off 'fake' disability because accusing people of faking disability is essential for making money and also for helping the politicians they favour with various political aims.

And so if this programme doesn't actively help to get the message accross that post exertional malaise and similar are real, it would be bog standard for our media.
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Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
« Reply #53 on: 05 Dec 2021 11:17AM »
The programme doesn't actually say anything though. It's reality TV so it's all about watching people live in a camp completing various tasks. It's entertainment only. I am just saddened that despite Kadeena explaining her disability, that the public just don't"get" it. There's also a few comments from the public about how she shouldn't be in there if she can't complete the tasks. Most contestants don't fully complete the tasks due to fear, disgust or inability and that's all okay, but if you can't complete it due to a disability, you shouldn't be there! The editors of the show have shown her fully explaining her disability so they've done all they can do really. I hope when she comes out and she shares about her experience people are more understanding. I also think the two camp leaders wouldn't have allocated her to cooking had they realised that giving a task that needs doing at a set time and is quite arduous would be difficult for someone with limited spoons and they'd known about spoons plus she's been paired up with the only camp mate who's intolerant and whingy. She'd have been better off being allocated a task that she could do at a time of day of her choosing. Hopefully they'll drop the set tasks thing soon and let everyone return to everyone pitching in wherever.

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Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
« Reply #54 on: 05 Dec 2021 12:58PM »
The public won't get it because of the hard-sell skiver rhetoric in relation to disabled people over the last decade from certain politicians and certain media outlets.
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Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
« Reply #55 on: 05 Dec 2021 04:45PM »
You would think that the public wouldn't consider a Paralympian athlete who has won Gold in cycling and running lazy and doesn't do her best though but possibly in the same way people can't understand part time wheelchair users, they can't compute that the Gold medal winner can't do a tough 3 hour trial and get back and cook dinner for 11 people. I suspect it's limited understanding about disability rather than media hype about scroungers in this case. I'd hoped her sharing her experience would educate people but it's not sinking in.

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Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
« Reply #56 on: 05 Dec 2021 06:42PM »
I think you make a fair point.

That being said, I phrased my comment about media rhetoric badly.  I wasn't suggesting it was the sole cause of common views about disability, just that it contributes. 

There are all sorts of other things like the vocabulary we use.  E.g.  'wheelchair bound' is, I think, still far more common than 'wheelchair user'. 

'Blind' and 'deaf' are problematic. At least with 'deaf' there's some vague understanding that deafness is on a range, albeit with a poor understanding of the mechanics, e.g. an assumption that if granny has the sort of deafness that means she asks you to speak up and you do, what she hears will be just a bit quieter than you would hear, not that with some sorts of deafness it bursts out of the silence as shouting.  But with 'blind', aargh, I can see why when my mother got old and was registrably SVI/blind but still with some vision, she didn't use a white cane, she relied on being old and using a walking stick, so that other women clustered round her to support her physically, oblivious to how little sight she had.   With a little vision, she was more readily believed not to be blind than she would have been believed if she'd said she was blind.

So my apologies if I was suggesting that the media push to characterise as many disabled people as possible as faking it ws the sole or even main cause.
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Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
« Reply #57 on: 07 Dec 2021 08:12AM »
Well I woke up to a shock, Kadeena was the second contestant voted out of the castle and left last night. For those who don't watch it, the public vote for the person they want to stay in the castle not for the person they want to leave so this means that she had the least amount of the public who are wanting to save her and keep her in the show. Apparently there's been an outcry on Twitter because people can't believe this to be true and think there's been a fix. The show is independently adjudicated so it will be accurate but the outcry shows that the public are surprised that she's not as popular as they expected or they like others less and had expected those others to have less votes than Kadeena.


I wonder if lack of understanding about her disability played any part of why she has left the show so early. She wasn't a winning contestant in my opinion but I am surprised that she has gone so early. I really don't want NB to win but he has a significant fan base so, might. I think David Ginola should win, he is amazing at all the tasks and such a genuinely nice guy too.

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Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
« Reply #58 on: 07 Dec 2021 08:47AM »
And I am watching last night's programme showing highlights from the previous 24 hours up to the showtime when part of it is live. The daily trial was rather than let the public vote for who should do it they let the contestants choose two to do the trial. There was a bun fight with NB et al saying who should do the trial and David saying that no one should say that someone else should do it and people should put themselves forward voluntarily. The argument was tectchy so Kadeena wanting peace put herself forward to end the argument and volunteered for the trial and she and Louise Minchin absolutely smashed the trial winning all the stars and viewers last night would have seen that before voting and still she didn't get enough votes to stay in the camp. All I can say is that Kadeena gave the show her absolute best and she was brave and determined and a star and was a brilliant contestant.

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Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
« Reply #59 on: 07 Dec 2021 09:09PM »
Well, I'm extremely disappointed with the voting public for not keeping Kadeena in over someone like, say, Matty, who's hardly been seen apart from when he chomped a couple of turkey testicles in the 'casino' trial.  Especially after her fast and focused performance in the latest trial.  Plus she is a genuinely nice person and should have been in the final, IMO.  I suppose Naughty Boy will be in the top four at least - pfffft.