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Title: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 17 Nov 2021 06:13PM
Anyone watching strictly? Having heard about Rose Ayling-Ellis being a celebrity contestant, although I don't have a TV licence so can't watch the show, I have watched her dances on YouTube. She's amazing and such a lovely person. I didn't know her before, not watching EastEnders.


What's interesting is that perhaps in an attempt to help mainstream viewers connect with her signing as well as the fact that she speaks what she's saying/signing, she's using SSE more than BSL but I absolutely love that she is sparking interest in society about BSL and how so many in the deaf community feel she is an inspiration to them. She's amazing and I loved Saturday's dance with the "surprise" element.


(thread title amended as other TV show also discussed) - KK
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 17 Nov 2021 06:40PM
I don't watch Strictly, but I saw a Last Leg interview with her on Youtube and she came across as really bubbly.

Chatting with others in my over-50s group, the non-deafies were talking about it and really enthusiastic.  One of them raised the subject when they saw me and a couple of others comparing our hearing aids.  Currently, I think about a third of us in the group are hearing aid users, but we don't usually discuss it.

So in addition to being a general topic people could discuss, her success is being used by some as an opportunity to reach out.

I think that something she's achieving well is getting the message across that deafness doesn't necessarily affect people in the way we think.  I'd like it if she found opportunities to mention that deafness affects different people differently, but being famous doesn't mean she has to do that.  She's a dancer, not a deafness advocate.

Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Fiz on 17 Nov 2021 07:17PM
She's said that in many interviews. She's frequently asked how she can dance when she can't hear the music and her answer is every deaf person experiences music and movement differently. For her it's less about the vibrations she feels in her body and more to do with timing and counting eg one-two-three etc but she does explain the diversity within the one disability really well. She's currently second favourite to win.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 17 Nov 2021 07:33PM
That sounds brilliant, her explaining things to people.


Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: SashaQ on 22 Nov 2021 10:17PM
Yes, this series of Strictly is really good - I hadn't watched it for a few years, but I'm enjoying it this year.  Rose gets some of my votes  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: On the edge on 23 Nov 2021 10:33AM
I don't watch dance shows.  My Mum loved 'Come Dancing' a forerunner of this tasteless and over-hyped program, which is smoke, flashing lights, and mirrors mostly.  All BBC shows are biased and tokenistic inclusion so I wouldn't watch on that basis, I stopped e.g. watching East Enders 10 years ago, I was getting overdosed on inclusion and then couldn't relate to anyone on it.  The BBC is off my viewing list. I'm no angel but not a rapist, a child killer,  a drug addict or pusher, a violent criminal, a homosexual,  black, a gay Asian, a prostitute, a white Muslim, or... (You get the drift,) if that is London be afraid, VERY afraid!  You can only hope they emulate Emmerdale Farm and let a jumbo Jet crash on Walford to spare us all. 


My mum made me watch come dancing because it was a genuine competition of grassroots amateurs who competed with each other.  She did ballet classes too, as well as Formation dancing and all that stuff.  Watching failed celebs and no mark weather reporters falling over isn't as I would see dance compettions. Which are bear pits really.  Too many egos given too much air time.   THe only comment I would make as a deaf person is the token deaf woman there never signs in her usual soap opera part, and only started signing when she went on the show, she was an excellent lip-reader, else she would not have got the part just signing.  Same as the token deafie in Coronation street, and a false CI implantee on the same show as this dancer.  They used to take bets which side he would wear his CI or hearing aid on this week I gather.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 23 Nov 2021 04:14PM
If you have cochlear implants on both sides, you don't have to wear your external aid on both sides, and they are also compatible with hearing aids, so if you want to wear an ordinary hearing aid at the same time, you can choose whether to wear one in the same ear or the opposite ear or both.

It would appear that people with cochlear implants face the same situation I used to have when my rods weren't working.  Gosh, a white cane but not totally blind.   Must be something dodgy.  Or when my father used a walking stick.  Gosh, doesn't always use it on the same side?  Must be dodgy.  Or when I've gone to activities where I've chosen to wear one hearing aid or not the other.  Must be dodgy.

I must tell the woman I meet at my local church centre that she must always wear both implants and never alternate according to activity and to reduce skin irritation.  And I must make sure my hair's never swept back so that no one can tell whether I'm wearing both my aids, and if so, which.  I couldn't possibly take one aid out if I'm planning to go somewhere later where I'm going to not want an aid on the side of me with more background noise.

Gosh, we crips have to always be totally consistent in our behaviour, unlike non-crips.  I face this sort of judgementalism in the street and in non-disability circles but had never faced it from other disabled people.

It simply doesn't compute.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Fiz on 23 Nov 2021 05:00PM
I don't have a TV licence currently but have really enjoyed Strictly in previous years. I love that most of the celebs have never danced before and they're beginners and I enjoy watching their styles and skills progress and it's an opportunity to get to know the real them rather than the characters they act or their public roles. I admired the BBC for keeping Bruce on longer than the time when he was an asset to the show. I loved Darcey as a judge and miss her. I know so many people that really enjoy Strictly, it's a good job there's programmes for all tastes. I miss some things about the BBC but not enough for me to pay the licence fee.


Soaps all have ridiculous storylines, it keeps people watching. I enjoy Corrie but recent storylines have been so extreme it's laughable but unlike EastEnders, Corrie does throw in some comical moments that make me laugh.


Oh I have discovered that Michael McIntyre's Big Show which is BBC made is currently on Channel 5 so I start each day by watching an episode. I'd started watching it after it had been on a while so have never seen season 1 before. I literally cry tears of laughter each morning, that man is so funny and such a lovely bloke. It's the best way to start the day, I shall be sad when I reach episodes that I have seen before!
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 23 Nov 2021 05:44PM
...I'm no angel but not a rapist, a child killer,  a drug addict or pusher, a violent criminal, a homosexual,  black, a gay Asian, a prostitute, a white Muslim, or... (You get the drift,) if that is London be afraid, VERY afraid!...

I'm trying to see why you think that's a reason to be very afraid.  I can understand why you might be afraid of violent criminals, but being afraid of people on the basis of their sexual orientation or religion or ethnicity?  And where I live, I cannot recall any incidents where prostitutes were a threat to anyone else.  More often victims of crime.

It does seem rather stereotypical to put 'rapist', 'child-killer', 'homosexual' and 'gay' on the same list.  Also, it seems particularly pointed to refer to both 'homosexual' and 'gay'.

If anyone else here thinks having LGBT+ people or people with foreign in them makes a place somewhere to be afraid of, let me know and I'll find a different board to post on.

Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Fiz on 23 Nov 2021 08:46PM
I can't remember whether I linked to Rose's couple's choice dance from the Saturday before last


https://youtu.be/Zk-JY9Q4RNc
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 23 Nov 2021 10:32PM
I've never watched Strictly.  I've seen short clips from it online but it didn't appeal.  It's not that I don't enjoy dancing, but the sort of dance videos I  like are ones showing you how to do a dance or ones showing people/groups doing a dance in what I'll call a community or cultural setting, or the odd clip from a film. 

But then I don't usually watch other television competitions, be that things like Britain's got Talent or Quiz shows.  I do watch the odd clip from BGT, though.

As I type this, I feel lucky that with modern technology and the internet I've got so much choice what to watch.

Have fans of Strictly come Dancing been generally unhappy about Rose or is it just a few?  I haven't come across anything negative about her online, but maybe it's just a question of which sites I visit.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Fiz on 24 Nov 2021 06:56AM
I haven't seen anything negative about her and I have a deaf friend who teaches signing and is also employed to interpret songs at concerts and she does that in BSL not SSE and she's still really enjoying Rose and Strictly and wishing her well. Which is lovely. Ballroom dancing is not my thing at all so I am surprised that I have enjoyed Strictly.


The only other reality competition show that I watch is I'm a Celebrity get me out of here. I love that. Ant and Dec are so good at that.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 24 Nov 2021 10:07AM
Maybe it's time I had another go at watching stuff like that.

I love it when you get someone different in some way who does something because it's what they're good at and can discuss their difference without that being the primary issue. 

Mind you, sometimes it leaves the red-tops and their online equivalents very confuddled.  Hmm.  Do they put this person on a pedestal for overcoming their disadvantages, thus giving them an opportunity to bash others that don't, or would doing that, in the case of whichever person's success it is, alienate their readership?

It's like those delicate decisions they have to make as to which members of the royal family to exalt and which to bash. 
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: On the edge on 24 Nov 2021 11:12AM
...I'm no angel but not a rapist, a child killer,  a drug addict or pusher, a violent criminal, a homosexual,  black, a gay Asian, a prostitute, a white Muslim, or... (You get the drift,) if that is London be afraid, VERY afraid!...

I'm trying to see why you think that's a reason to be very afraid.  I can understand why you might be afraid of violent criminals, but being afraid of people on the basis of their sexual orientation or religion or ethnicity?  And where I live, I cannot recall any incidents where prostitutes were a threat to anyone else.  More often victims of crime.

It does seem rather stereotypical to put 'rapist', 'child-killer', 'homosexual' and 'gay' on the same list.  Also, it seems particularly pointed to refer to both 'homosexual' and 'gay'.

If anyone else here thinks having LGBT+ people or people with foreign in them makes a place somewhere to be afraid of, let me know and I'll find a different board to post on.


The point made was the BBC's farcical inclusion policy is sidelining the UK majority.  Statistically, the inclusion doesn't compute.  These areas represent in my locale less than 12% of the whole, representation is 34%.  The BBC must be higher than that!  It does seem every time the news is on e.g. yer average roving reporter also has a name that isn't British and the reporter is ethnic or black or Asian.  I am relating the facts not giving an anti-view of it.  I suspect this may represent London not elsewhere, as London has 45% who are non-british, 4 times my own city.  This is inclusion overkill on a 'national' TV channel. 


This is mooted as an inclusive policy, it isn't.  The BBC dumped us at OUCH, didn't it, because they want us seen but not heard.  Personally I don't actively engage with ethnic or gay areas at all, that is simply because I don't move in those areas or socialize in them, they don't move in mine.  Various campaigns and laws tell me best to stay the hell out of it, as someone is sure to call you names at some point.  I adopt the stance of 'Cest La Vie' to suggest I agree with all of it, even if I may have reservations some need to get out more, but, I represent I think the majority, and at least honest about it.


So anyone expecting a LGBT+ discussion from me is going to be disappointed.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 24 Nov 2021 12:23PM
Personally I couldn't care less what race or sexual orientation (or religion) a human being happens to be, I'm more interested in how a person behaves towards others - and a gay Muslim woman or a straight white man, say, are both no better or worse than anyone else.  They're just people, I can't see any issue one way or the other about this.

Fiz, I love 'I'm a Celeb' too, and they have a disabled campmate this year, a Paralympian, though can't recall half their names yet  :f_erm:
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 24 Nov 2021 01:31PM
I still feel very distressed at the strong emphasis on gay people in a list of reasons to be very afraid of what London is like.  Ditto reference to Black and Asian.

Of course, we could object to non-indigenous people in the UK.  It would take a lot of DNA sampling, though, to get rid of all the descendants of the Vikings, Angles, Saxons, Normans, Romans etc. though and leave the country with just the Celts & Picts.

Where I live, a local church had a Black minister in Victorian times.  Not that that was a new thing in this country if you consider Queen Victoria's friend or, for that matter, various other people of colour who came here, for instance, from Elizabeth I's time, or even with the Romans.  But we tend not to notice them because of intermarriage leading to paler skinned descendants.  Mind you, a mate of mine has suggested it would be fairly easy to use colour to get rid of non-indigenous Brits if we chucked out those with non-ginger hair, but I'm not convinced.

As for White Muslims, well that's not new, is it?  Ok, so I think when my father was a teenager in WW2, the attendees at his local mosque (in England, and not in London) were mainly darker skinned, but not all.

As for BBC reporters and other front line BBC staff, they vary widely across the different programmes.  That's basic statistics. 

Likewise, the spread round the country of people who come from elsewhere is not going to be even, because work distribution isn't even between parts of the country, just as work and skills distribution aren't even between countries. 

Yes, I feel very strongly about this.  No, let me be blunt, I feel very upset about this.  The last place I expected this sort of characterisation is in Ouch.

As for this
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So anyone expecting a LGBT+ discussion from me is going to be disappointed.

To me, to introduce the topic of LGBT+, listing 'homosexual' and 'gay' in with various criminals including 'rapist' and 'child killer', i.e. the classic nasty memes that still plague people, and then to say you're not going to discuss the topic is nasty.  Yes, nasty.  It follows on from other things where, over time, you've said something and then refused to discuss the issue you raised.  I've completely misjudged you, OtE.  I thought you just differed from me in some views.  You don't just do that, you say something controversial to get people reacting then refuse to discuss it, just dropping more bombshells.

I've never understood what people get out of that.  I probably never shall.  I guess, though, that forums like this where people are posting because they're accepting of difference make for good targets.

I was only able to make this post with the help of three calls to the Sams since your post yesterday morning, OtE.  Is there nowhere left in this world where being in one or more minorities isn't a reason to be seen as part of a group to be afraid of?

I'm glad I live in an area of the country where amongst the locals it's mostly ok.  There are a few influential people locally who are different.  Climbed up the social ladder, and deflect any awareness of their difference in any way by setting out to portray lots of others as outsiders.  But most of us identify in terms of our town, not in terms of place of birth or colour or religion or sexual orientation or disability.  If someone's settled here, we don't check their birth certificate  before deciding whether to be grateful for whatever they can do for us or we can do for them.

On the other hand, maybe I should go and put a sign up on that nasty foreign Norman church in town.  You'd think those foreigners, clearly non-indigenous intruders who'd be easy to pick out with DNA testing, would have gone home by now.  It's been nearly a thousand years since they took root.  (Yes, sarcasm.)
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Fiz on 24 Nov 2021 02:39PM
I'm the same Kizzy. People are people whatever their Race, Ethnicity, Religion, sexuality or nationality and I love and enjoy diversity.


I had to look up the Paralympian Kadeena too because I hadn't heard of her. She's lovely. I'm looking forward to watching today's I'm a Celebrity in the morning, poor naughty boy is taking it way too personally but he's cold, tired and hungry so basically HANGRY and I would be too in those circumstances! I think you need inner resillience to cope with the camp and tasks which I don't have. I don't think he has enough either.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 24 Nov 2021 04:36PM
I hadn't heard of her either and also just looked her up on Wikipedia.

I rarely watch sport because mostly it doesn't do it for me, but having read about her, I find her 'inspiring' not so much because she's disabled, as such, but in the wider category of no longer being able to follow a career path because of something so re-purposing her skills, whether into something similar or different.  I find it mind boggling that someone has a career as a runner, faces an obstacle, in her case MS, and diverts into paralympic running and then cycling as well.

I don't mean I don't find her disability relevant - I very much do - just that I also mentally map it onto where people have other obstacles, like, to take the first random example that comes to mind, falling unexpectedly pregnant when doing a career where you can't take your baby round with you, and turning to a career you can do at home.

Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 24 Nov 2021 05:27PM
PS - regarding OtE's references to people of a different colour or sexuality from himself, I find it out of order as well to put them in the same sentence as child-killers and rapists etc.   As I alluded to in my previous post, IMO people's worth should be judged by how they conduct themselves towards others, so I have zero tolerance for paedophile murderers and sexual offenders.  Gay, straight or whatever.  A criminal is a criminal, and a decent human being is a decent human being. 

OtE, perhaps you could start to view people as individuals instead of lumping them in your own particular 'oh, I don't like all this diversity and inclusion' group?  After all, we disabled people don't like being dismissed as one mass...  You're also misusing the word 'ethnic' by the way.  We're all of an ethnic origin.

Perhaps you could share with us what your fear is all about regarding those different to you?
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 24 Nov 2021 08:59PM
Fiz - I am liking Kadeena more and more, she comes over as really genuine.  As for Naughty Boy, he may well be 'hangry' but in last night's episode which I have just finished, I think he was coming across as a bit of a diva....

Sunny, if you're going to give 'Strictly' another try, you could do worse than dip in to 'I'm a Celeb' for a bit of light relief - we all need a few laugh-out-loud moments amidst the serious stuff!
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 24 Nov 2021 09:47PM
I shall try I'm a celeb some time over the next few days. 
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: On the edge on 25 Nov 2021 10:25AM
Personally I couldn't care less what race or sexual orientation (or religion) a human being happens to be, I'm more interested in how a person behaves towards others - and a gay Muslim woman or a straight white man, say, are both no better or worse than anyone else.  They're just people, I can't see any issue one way or the other about this.

Fiz, I love 'I'm a Celeb' too, and they have a disabled campmate this year, a Paralympian, though can't recall half their names yet  :f_erm:


Then you are the same as I am, I don't care either but am subject like everyone else to 24/7 lectures on who and what I must accept, of course, I am NOT going to be told that.   I am not going to comply with demands I must either.  Human nature determines what I accept or like or not, as it does with everyone else. if it quacks it's a duck usually.  We are told unless we bend a knee we are racists to black people e.g. that is complete distortion and aggression, they wave fists in our face too, NOT the way to engender acceptance or support.  The BBC handed BLM £400m to produce 'Black output', they removed the deaf and HoH from the BBC site and installed a load of mean-wells with a vested interest, the real disabled don't have anything to do with it.


I won't be drawn into gay stuff I already said that, it is baiting people, then attacking them that's all it does.  These loony tune areas go around doing it on everyone's sites leading people into comment then going at them is they spot a spelling mistake or view that can be seen two ways only THEIR view matters.  I isolate such areas on my computer not interested in that otr the people that subscribe to it. I've spent a lifetime fighting my corner and that of other deaf people, and it is more a divisive and un-addressable area now, than when I started.

We will never shut these people up or get acceptance and access if we are attacked for questioning them.  The idea is sound the way to get it, NOT. I don't know what 'celeb' means it's not a description of a Star is it.  These a transient 5 second wonders hyped up on social media mostly.  Cooks becoming presneters presenters becoming cooks they flog these people to death on our TV sets, until another 5 econd wonder emerges.


The good news is a film covering the Beatles 'Get Back' is coming out, a film about real people making real music who changed the world, not boiled an egg on daytime TV.

Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 25 Nov 2021 11:53AM

I won't be drawn into gay stuff I already said that, it is baiting people, then attacking them that's all it does. 


You say you won't be drawn into gay stuff, but it was you who raised the topic, you who gave us a short list of the sort of people that illustrate why we should be afraid of London,  listing 'homosexual' and 'gay' in with various criminals including 'rapist' and 'child killer'. 

More to the point, you mentioned both 'homosexual' and 'gay' in the same short list, thus emphasising that sort of person even more.

Further, given that you also mentioned prostitution, the list was disproportionately skewed toward sexual matters.

So if as you say "I won't be drawn into gay stuff I already said that, it is baiting people, then attacking them that's all it does. "  Then since it was you that raised the topic, applying your own statement to yourself,  it is you that was baiting people and attacking them, not those of us that responded to the topic that you raised.

You have also made issue after issue of people's colour. You do it in a manner where 'we' always maps onto non-Black.  It sounds like you are assuming that no Ouchers are Black.  I'd ask if that was your assumption, but I'm now aware that you raise matters then refuse to reply to them.  Are you, to use your own words 'baiting' then 'attacking' the people who respond to the topics that you raise, not just here but in other threads, to the statements that you make?  No, I know that you will not answer that, but others will read what I have written and draw their own conclusions on the matter.


As for the BBC donation to BLM meme, that's been going round for some time, with the alleged amount increasing over time and is false.  I suggest that you check it yourself on reputable websites such as Reuters and Fullfact.  The myth appears to have arisen from Children in Need making a donation to a Stormzy fund.

In recent times on Ouchtoo, you have denigrated and/or dismissed people of colour, the deaf community (which you repeatedly portray as all having the same views, the same preferred means of communication etc.),  first language BSL people (whom you consistently portray as thereby being monolingual), gay people etc.

I used to think that you had strong views and wanted to persuade people of them.  I now believe that I misjudged you and that you are not interested in persuading anyone of anything, just of expressing a dislike of those with whom you disagree.  More fool me for having let you 'draw in' 'bait' and 'attack' me and others.  I cannot undo my foolishness but I can draw the attention of others to it so that they can learn.

Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: ditchdwellers on 25 Nov 2021 12:55PM
Well said Sunny.
I haven't been around for a day or two and missed this conversation. Thank you Kizzy and Fiz for speaking out on OtEs offensive comments.
This conversation disturbs me. We have inter racial marriage in our immediate family, and close friends who are 'non white'. I'm truly baffled by opinions by the opinions expressed by OtE.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Fiz on 25 Nov 2021 01:37PM
Yes well said sunny. OtE I find your posts and opinions difficult. You are the only oucher who appears to be unable to be empathic or non judgemental towards others and it's unpleasant to read at times.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 25 Nov 2021 02:45PM
Maybe I should be concerned with all these people of colour around me.  Some get a bit close even in the pandemic.  They do ghastly things like breaching social distancing rules to pick me up when I fall over or to stand up next to me so I can have their seat on the bus.  One even got very intimately close recently under the excuse that he's a qualified and competent doctor and that he was doing precisely what I'd asked him to do.  As for how intrusive that woman of colour was when she was peering through her slit lamp to check out my vision, gosh anyone would think it was ok for her to do her best to stop me going blind. 

Still, it was bad before the pandemic.  There was that supermarket security guard who didn't stick to his job and instead stepped out onto the pavement as I was walking past to stop me being harassed by some drunk people even though I wasn't spending any money in his shop.  What's he doing being kind and brave enough to protect non-customers?  As for the youngster who had music coming out of his smartphone the other day, looked around at intervals to make sure it wasn't annoying anyone, but who nevertheless switched it off when the bus came, honestly, fancy being considerate like that. 

And you should see what those people with brown faces and furrin relions get up to like feeding hungry people.  How dare they?  That's the job of pink Christians. People are supposed to offer food parcels with pasta and other dried food, not offer a hot meal in their funny places of worship as well.  They've even dared to join our local weird interfaith group and work together to distribute help, including school uniforms, Christmas help etc.  Oh, and they've spread their nasty habits so some churches are also offering something hot/cooked.

Even worse, in my mate's synagogue, they've conspired against people by offering somewhere to sit and eat in the synagogue, the cooked food being provided by the mosque group and the food parcels to take  home provided by the church group. Worse, people helping out join with the relevant groups of other faiths like Muslims donating dry food and Christians cooking food etc.  That's without mentioning the Buddhists and Hindus sticking their oar in and stopping people starving.

I don't know how we're supposed to tolerate all this kindness and unity and decency by people with so many different levels of skin darkness, so  many places of birth, so many different religions.

(In the extremely very unlikely situation anyone here doesn't get my point, where I live, all around me are people of all sorts who help one another and I'm very, very grateful to all those that do.)
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 25 Nov 2021 03:42PM
Ditchdwellers and Fiz - thank you.

I'd like to make it clear that I chose not to remove OtE's post #5 for racist and homophobic content as sometimes I feel it's better to leave a post 'out there' to show the whole aspects of the person submitting it.  Also, no-one actually reported it, so just to remind everybody that the option does exist to tell us about anything they see on the board which is of any concern, via 'Report to Moderator' and/or private message if need be. 


In the meantime, this thread is way off-topic now, so can we please get back to disabled contestants on reality shows - and if anyone wants to continue a debate on diversity and inclusion issues relating to race, sexuality etc rather than disability, they can start another thread.  Thanks  :f_smiley:

>edit to clarify what I intended to mean re: diversity and inclusion debate - KK
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Sunshine Meadows on 25 Nov 2021 04:22PM
Well said Kizzy  :thumbsup:


I am such a late comer to this thread, who would have thought a discussion thread about a light entertainment would end up revealing so much more about O the E. I am glad people called him out or is it her? I don't know you see and it matters little to me because I judge by words and deeds. Thank you for calling him/her out on what they said.


O the E,


We can all see when a person is a different skin colour and judge them by the way the dress and what we decide to see in them. One thought that came to mind though was it is likely you have interreacted will allsorts of bad people that wear masks.


Also good people wear masking to fit in with what people around us made us. When I was around 17 I was at my dad's house for a family barbeque and he shouted at me for the way I was holding a drink and sitting because it was too manly. My body went from fairly relaxed and comfortable to spaaing out. On other occasions he would ask why is she walking like that and my sister's would say things to keep the piece or make me look bad depending on their mood and aims. When I was at college I spent time with a Sikh girl and looking back I can see I might have had a lifelong friend if I had not been so fearful about who I was, what I did not have, who I was trying to be. Things are different now and while I will always be a tomboy I can't help thinking what life might have been if I could have been non binary I mean I am but history said No so here I am.


As to you well the American word turd comes to mind but you tell me does it fit are you comfortable being assigned the turd designation?


Everyone,


It is better we see 'these' people for who they are. and now that has happened I suspect he/she is going to bugger off for a while. A band would be great too though maybe we should vote on how much kindness do we see in O the E posts?
I am getting ranty now.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 25 Nov 2021 06:22PM
I suspect that too sunshine.


I'm looking forward to I'm a celeb tonight though Richard Madely has left and I liked him far more than I thought I would. He might not have done well at getting stars but he was very wise and caring and supportive of his demoralised fellow camp mates in the clink.


Sunny, if you do have a look at I'm a celeb it might be worth watching the opening show from Sunday evening first. It introduces everyone and puts everything into context. Looking forward to the two new arrivals on the next programme plus Richard will be replaced with someone else. They should switch him for Judy  :f_laugh:
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 25 Nov 2021 06:29PM
Ok, opening show.

It won't be immediately because I'm having trouble concentrating for long, but it'll be in the next week or so.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 25 Nov 2021 07:26PM
Thankfully it's a very light hearted show, I like watching it in the morning, it starts the day on a cheery note. I'd be okay with the tasks to do with live snakes, rats and insects but would be hopeless at bushtucker trials where you have to eat revolting things. Anything slimey and I'd be sick and I am phobic about being sick so I suspect that I would veto the task and take no stars back to camp and everyone would go hungry. That will make sense when you watch the show sunny!
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: On the edge on 26 Nov 2021 10:47AM
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Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 26 Nov 2021 12:46PM
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Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 26 Nov 2021 02:08PM
Sorry, mixed up.  Thought the rats, snakes and insects were the bushtucker.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 26 Nov 2021 03:09PM
Naughty boy is being slated for his lack of effort at the trial. He's obviously totally unaware that if you are hopeless at a trial the public are likely to vote for you to do the next trial! The only way to get out of being voted to do them is to be good at them or be really nice and likeable. It does have some funny moments  :f_laugh:
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 26 Nov 2021 09:21PM
He tried his best, you know  :f_whistle:

I liked Kadeena getting a bit sharp with him over the cooking in the Great Hall - note how he flounced off to bed after that?  He's becoming really irritating to me.  One of those 'prickly' people quick to take umbrage - I thought the other campmates were being really tolerant with him initially, but patience has to run out some time!

Sad about Richard Madeley having to leave for health reasons, though - he's really disappointed, apparently.   So someone else will take his place?  That could be interesting...
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 26 Nov 2021 09:24PM
Sorry, mixed up.  Thought the rats, snakes and insects were the bushtucker.

Well, in former shows they used to have to eat live witchetty grubs, biting the head off first  :f_yikes:
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 26 Nov 2021 09:47PM
Sorry, mixed up.  Thought the rats, snakes and insects were the bushtucker.

Well, in former shows they used to have to eat live witchetty grubs, biting the head off first  :f_yikes:

And I'm being advised by Ouchers to watch this show/series?  Eek!

I think I've just realised I have a disability - aversion to animal products I can't pretend weren't once living creatures.  Are there episodes that make 'reasonable adjustments' for that by ensuring the bush tucker is vegan?

Gosh, I'm in a mischievous mood.  I wonder what sorts of disabled contestants they could introduce?  I have a mental picture of someone with the sort of shortened arms I associate with classic thalidomide development,  being told to hold a small creature and eat it.

Someone severely visually impaired told to eat something that won't stay still.

Someone tube fed making some sort of puree out of creepy crawlies.

Ok, I'm a bit dotty, but in all seriousness, what I'd like to see in more television programmes is an opportunity to laugh with people over their impairments.  Not to laugh at them for being disabled, but to enjoy the funny side of it.  I think that's why I enjoy the Last Leg.

But I make that as a general point not having watched this programme/series.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 26 Nov 2021 11:07PM
Last year a contestant had to inject several times a day and couldn't get out of bed for a while until the injection worked. I can't remember what their condition was but campmates naturally made reasonable adjustments for them only expecting them to do what they could do which wasn't an equal share of the chores. Every year it's possible to see the good in humanity in the camp and sometimes not so good in people. I've just seen Richard Madely's recorded goodbye to his campmates, it was really moving, he seems a really nice guy. You get to know the real people behind the faces of celebrities in this show. When they're "in the world" you never know if what you are seeing is the real them because most of us put on a face to the world but with cameras on you 24/7 capturing your every word, snore and bogey pick, your real you is there to see. I'm excited to watch this evening's show when I get up tomorrow, the excitement isn't helping me sleep  :f_laugh:
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 27 Nov 2021 02:21PM
I met up with my friend yesterday and she's watching Strictly avidly. She thinks Rose is the best celeb dancer and thinks she'll win. It will be interesting to see. Absolutely awesome that someone with no hearing at all can be the best dancer out of all the non professional dancers when music is widely considered to be a key element. And that shows the world so much about disability. I love it. I haven't seen any of the other dancers so I have no view as to whether she will win but her dancing is awesome. I hope she continues dancing after the show ends because she's clearly discovered that she loves it.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 28 Nov 2021 07:44AM
Sunny, the great news is ITV has put a hold on the I'm a Celeb shows for Friday, Saturday and Sunday so that you can catch up 😀
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 28 Nov 2021 11:20AM
Catch up?  They've been running it for years - there's probably hundreds to watch!

That aside, my attention is so poor that there's not much I watch of anything uninterrupted for more than a few minutes.  Seriously.

But I shall have a bash at watching some of it.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 28 Nov 2021 12:29PM
Yes I was on meaning this year's! The starting show from Sunday is a long one being one hour and forty minutes, Monday to Thursday shows were much shorter. I tend to play sudoku on my phone with the TV on so I have half an ear on the programme and half my brain on sudoku when I can't concentrate and I'm a Celeb is definitely a programme where you can do other things while it's on. But I totally get that it's not everybody's thing. I can't remember how many years it had been going before I started watching it, several. I don't like reality TV normally and it was a surprise to enjoy it. It's been a definite escapism last year and this, much needed during the pandemic for me.
Hopefully it will be back on tomorrow evening. I can't believe the British weather has been so bad that they couldn't film.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 28 Nov 2021 03:27PM
Seriously, I shall want to watch some programmes just out of curiosity. 

That being said, whilst discussing all this, I realised I haven't a clue what a lot of well known programmes are like and even what some are about.  I could do with getting to know more.

Incidentally, on the topic of who's on programmes, an MP recently got a bit agitated about women playing roles that were traditionally male roles, such as Dr Who.  He said that leaves men with just bad role models so is it any wonder they turn to crime.  I found myself wondering whether we women should explain to men how we've mostly managed not to turn to crime when most of the heroic role models have been male.

I wonder whether there are people who'd think that if there are too many disabled people in starring roles in drama, that discourages non-disabled people?  Surely disabled people, particularly visibly disabled people, are supposed to appear in special reality shows once or twice a year doing 'heroic' things, then go away again?

(Don't worry, I do know that lots of people are seriously chilled about having women in traditional male roles, and disabled people in traditional non-disabled roles etc.)
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 28 Nov 2021 04:36PM
Wowsers to that MP's comments! Though I know a few unhappy Dr Who fans not happy about a female Dr! People really don't like change. One of the funny things about being a regular church goer is seeing how people gravitate to the same seats each week and seeing the hesitation and indecision about what to do if they arrive to find someone in "their" seats 😅


Last night's dance, honestly, you'd never know that Rose has no hearing at all https://youtu.be/jiIccalATC4
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 28 Nov 2021 06:21PM
Wow!

Mind you, of all the silly analogies I thought of when I saw her dancing that, I thought of army drill.  I don't mean the moves, I mean timing.

Sometimes when I say about my hearing and how I wore hearing aids in uniform but not usually on 'public duties', but that hearing loss was very common in my generation of soldiers anyway, people ask how I could do drill if I couldn't hear the commands properly, if at all.

I point out that a lot of the time noone heard them.  You watch the officer or sergeant major taking the parade/drill session.  Let's say he wants you to stand to attention.  It's a two part order.  "Parade!"  (or other word such as "Squad" "Company" etc.)  At that you 'brace up' pushing your arms that are locked behind your back down and standing tall, as it were.  Then he shouts "Parade, shun!" At the order 'shun', you move from the 'at ease' position, hands behind back, legs astride, to the 'attention' position, legs together, hands down side.

You don't need to hear it so long as you can see it.  He takes a deep breath then exhales.  You see his lip movements, his chest movements. 

Likewise most moves.  It helps to be able to hear a shout, but a lot of it is obvious.  You're marching along, you've got to go in a straight line and someone's shouting.  You watch others reacting.  It's got to be an eyes right or eyes left or saluting right or left.  You're not going to be saluting a building or doing eyes left to a general, so you know what you're doing.

Obviously, it's a lot harder dancing that amazingly without being able to hear, but I find dancing well mind boggling anyway.  It doesn't seem odd to me, though, to be dancing to rhythm not sound/music.

That being said, I love the way it's prompted discussion at my dance group and I hope it's done the same elsewhere. 

Maybe it'll even encourage more people to dance, not  just D/deaf people but hearing and HoH people who are, psychologically, more visual than audio.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 29 Nov 2021 06:11AM
Apparently they were scored only 33 by the judges for that dance, they've previously be given the maximum of 40 and 39 in previous weeks so didn't do so well this week. That placed them in the bottom half of the leader board. Rose is very popular with the public so I think their votes will save her for a while as the public vote is half their final scores. Although she's the bookies favourite to win, I think getting such a low score now means she's nowhere near favourite in the eyes of the judges skills wise.


I think this dance in particular was counting sunny yes. It's so clever that she continues to do the steps when facing away from her partner and I did wonder if the flashing lights might be flashing to the beat at those moments and that could help her.


The tabloids are gossiping about a possible romance between them that Giovanni made a public announcement yesterday denying that there's any truth in that. He's single but Rose has been in a relationship for a few years and I do wonder if the tabloid trashy speculation will mean they choose not to dance so closely together which could lose them marks in certain styles of dances. Boy do I hate tabloids. And the people that read them!
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: ditchdwellers on 29 Nov 2021 12:22PM
I don't follow Strictly however I'm enjoying reading about Rose and all of everyone's comments on the the dancing.


It would be a shame if the tabloid fantasies and gossip affect the way in which in which any of the competitors carry out their routines. I saw that earlier on Tilley Ramsay was in the news after a DJ made nasty remarks about her appearance. Bullying behaviour like this is totally unacceptable and unwarranted in any setting. The media have a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 29 Nov 2021 12:50PM
Most media outlets just want the revenue and to plug the political views of their proprietors. 

They particularly like to set up situations they can get good stories from, so bigging someone up then attacking them if they're not perfect is great for the sales/clicks.

My favourite example of this two-faced reporting is the way so many 'red tops' have, for decades, been critical of motorists being fined for speeding.  Apparently speed cameras are an unreasonable way to make money.  That keeps a chunk of their car-driving readership happy, and better still for them, encouraging speeding can help to ensure they get an ongoing supply of stories about nasty accidents. 

This approach is also now working nicely with expressing outrage over people having to pay fines for driving in places they're not supposed to like cycle lanes, bus lanes, certain sorts of restricted-access areas.

So bigging up contestants in shows then toppling them is logically a great revenue earner.  Even better, do story after story suggesting the issue of whether they're wonderful or dreadful is very controversial.

(I suspect it may be a tad obvious just how much I hate this aspect of many media outlets.)

(Edited just for typo.)
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 29 Nov 2021 01:29PM
I think part of the reason for this story is that a number of Strictly celebs have formed relationships with their professional dance partners as they spend SO much time together so the tabloids are dying to be the first to have "outed" the couple but what they don't care a fig about is the lack of evidence and Rose's long term relationship which can ONLY be harmed by their stories. They don't care at all about the people they gossip about. Giovanni has denied it in a statement, I just hope that makes the tabloids shut up on the subject and let the dancers do the best they can in the competition. It was sad to see the tabloid rumours but it didn't surprise me as the speculation happens every year about one couple. I hate tabloids with a passion, they are circling vultures.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 29 Nov 2021 01:58PM
No, they don't care.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 05 Dec 2021 09:59AM
Kadeena shared with the other camp mates how her disability affects her, mostly with extreme fatigue and weakness and how the only thing she can do is rest when it hits. She also shared how difficult it is being a part time wheelchair user and how people don't understand it.


Then the next day she takes part in a grueling physical task for 3 hours, goes back to camp and as part of the allotted tasks she's one of two people who have to cook daily and she's tired and tetchy and annoyed that the other cook who wasn't part of the task and had done nothing all day hadn't started preparing and cooking. That sparked words between her and the other cook who didn't understand why they just couldn't cook it all later at the mealtime not understanding that she'll have run out of spoons by then. He obviously didn't take in or understand how complete extreme fatigue is when she shared it. I've seen a lot of negative comments by the public towards her about her tetchiness and how she shouldn't be cooking rice early etc so the public despite viewing that whole conversation about fatigue and weakness have no compassion towards her at all. I really feel for her. As someone who in the last couple of years experiences extreme fatigue and how sometimes I just cry due to it and having always been a calm patient person, now feel irritable when overwhelmed and how horrid that is experiencing that too. She is very brave putting herself through this experience as the tasks and the daily life is really physically and emotionally challenging. I hope the public don't give her a hard time and don't repeatedly vote her to do the tasks.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 05 Dec 2021 11:02AM
I know I sometimes mention in various threads that meme that crops up of the person in the supermarket in a wheelchair who stands up to get something off a shelf and therefore must be faking it.

I'm still angry that ABC television never took down their What Would You Do episode from Youtube with the scenario of a woman using a supermarket mobility scooter and getting out to walk a bit, seemingly non-disabled.  Even people with named conditions like POTS, which is less often seen as 'all in the mind' than some others like ME/CFS, have protested, ABC hasn't even added a disclaimer.

So long as the media makes money out of these memes and people wanting lots of clicks/shares on their social media accounts use them without qualification, people will continue to buy into the notion that anyone that can do something energetic then suddenly wilts must be faking it.

Well, unless they're a non-paralympic sports person and wilts a bit after running an ultra-marathon.  That's not 'faking' it because it's 'normal' to wilt then.

But then our society can't get its head round other sorts of limits to what people can cope with, including non-disabled people.  If politicians or the media want to slag off doctors, for instance, they won't mention the significantly high mental breakdown rates or the doctors that wear incontinence pads because they can't get toilet breaks. 

So they have to slag off 'fake' disability because accusing people of faking disability is essential for making money and also for helping the politicians they favour with various political aims.

And so if this programme doesn't actively help to get the message accross that post exertional malaise and similar are real, it would be bog standard for our media.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 05 Dec 2021 11:17AM
The programme doesn't actually say anything though. It's reality TV so it's all about watching people live in a camp completing various tasks. It's entertainment only. I am just saddened that despite Kadeena explaining her disability, that the public just don't"get" it. There's also a few comments from the public about how she shouldn't be in there if she can't complete the tasks. Most contestants don't fully complete the tasks due to fear, disgust or inability and that's all okay, but if you can't complete it due to a disability, you shouldn't be there! The editors of the show have shown her fully explaining her disability so they've done all they can do really. I hope when she comes out and she shares about her experience people are more understanding. I also think the two camp leaders wouldn't have allocated her to cooking had they realised that giving a task that needs doing at a set time and is quite arduous would be difficult for someone with limited spoons and they'd known about spoons plus she's been paired up with the only camp mate who's intolerant and whingy. She'd have been better off being allocated a task that she could do at a time of day of her choosing. Hopefully they'll drop the set tasks thing soon and let everyone return to everyone pitching in wherever.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 05 Dec 2021 12:58PM
The public won't get it because of the hard-sell skiver rhetoric in relation to disabled people over the last decade from certain politicians and certain media outlets.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 05 Dec 2021 04:45PM
You would think that the public wouldn't consider a Paralympian athlete who has won Gold in cycling and running lazy and doesn't do her best though but possibly in the same way people can't understand part time wheelchair users, they can't compute that the Gold medal winner can't do a tough 3 hour trial and get back and cook dinner for 11 people. I suspect it's limited understanding about disability rather than media hype about scroungers in this case. I'd hoped her sharing her experience would educate people but it's not sinking in.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 05 Dec 2021 06:42PM
I think you make a fair point.

That being said, I phrased my comment about media rhetoric badly.  I wasn't suggesting it was the sole cause of common views about disability, just that it contributes. 

There are all sorts of other things like the vocabulary we use.  E.g.  'wheelchair bound' is, I think, still far more common than 'wheelchair user'. 

'Blind' and 'deaf' are problematic. At least with 'deaf' there's some vague understanding that deafness is on a range, albeit with a poor understanding of the mechanics, e.g. an assumption that if granny has the sort of deafness that means she asks you to speak up and you do, what she hears will be just a bit quieter than you would hear, not that with some sorts of deafness it bursts out of the silence as shouting.  But with 'blind', aargh, I can see why when my mother got old and was registrably SVI/blind but still with some vision, she didn't use a white cane, she relied on being old and using a walking stick, so that other women clustered round her to support her physically, oblivious to how little sight she had.   With a little vision, she was more readily believed not to be blind than she would have been believed if she'd said she was blind.

So my apologies if I was suggesting that the media push to characterise as many disabled people as possible as faking it ws the sole or even main cause.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 07 Dec 2021 08:12AM
Well I woke up to a shock, Kadeena was the second contestant voted out of the castle and left last night. For those who don't watch it, the public vote for the person they want to stay in the castle not for the person they want to leave so this means that she had the least amount of the public who are wanting to save her and keep her in the show. Apparently there's been an outcry on Twitter because people can't believe this to be true and think there's been a fix. The show is independently adjudicated so it will be accurate but the outcry shows that the public are surprised that she's not as popular as they expected or they like others less and had expected those others to have less votes than Kadeena.


I wonder if lack of understanding about her disability played any part of why she has left the show so early. She wasn't a winning contestant in my opinion but I am surprised that she has gone so early. I really don't want NB to win but he has a significant fan base so, might. I think David Ginola should win, he is amazing at all the tasks and such a genuinely nice guy too.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 07 Dec 2021 08:47AM
And I am watching last night's programme showing highlights from the previous 24 hours up to the showtime when part of it is live. The daily trial was rather than let the public vote for who should do it they let the contestants choose two to do the trial. There was a bun fight with NB et al saying who should do the trial and David saying that no one should say that someone else should do it and people should put themselves forward voluntarily. The argument was tectchy so Kadeena wanting peace put herself forward to end the argument and volunteered for the trial and she and Louise Minchin absolutely smashed the trial winning all the stars and viewers last night would have seen that before voting and still she didn't get enough votes to stay in the camp. All I can say is that Kadeena gave the show her absolute best and she was brave and determined and a star and was a brilliant contestant.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 07 Dec 2021 09:09PM
Well, I'm extremely disappointed with the voting public for not keeping Kadeena in over someone like, say, Matty, who's hardly been seen apart from when he chomped a couple of turkey testicles in the 'casino' trial.  Especially after her fast and focused performance in the latest trial.  Plus she is a genuinely nice person and should have been in the final, IMO.  I suppose Naughty Boy will be in the top four at least - pfffft.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 07 Dec 2021 11:57PM
Yes I'm sure. Danny is favourite to win apparently. I agree that Mattie has done very little at all in there and definitely Kadeena deserved to stay in longer..


I'm a Simon fan I have to say though, he does make me laugh.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 12 Dec 2021 02:20PM
Suddenly wondered what Rose was up to as I don't watch Strictly and even wondered if this year's competition had ended. Just looked it up and Rose is through to the final next week. Well done Rose, flying the flag for disability.  :f_rose:
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: ditchdwellers on 16 Dec 2021 01:41PM
Apparently Rose's appearance and success on Strictly has created a boom in people joining classes to learn BSL.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-59474819


I don't watch Strictly, however I viewed the clip of Rose dancing in the news report and Wow! Can that woman dance! She is so graceful and sensual, and it looks so exhausting. I've never been agile enough or graceful to be able to dance well. I was thrown out of ballet as a young child and admire anyone who is coordinated enough to be able to move like this.


Go Rose!


Is she now in the final?
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 17 Dec 2021 06:12PM
Yes she was one of three finalists tomorrow but one celebrity has a foot injury. I'm unsure if they'll add in whoever had been knocked out in fourth place so there's still three in the final or whether the final will now just be two couples. Rose is joint favourite to win but I am unsure if the other joint favourite is the I jured celebrity or the other one still in it. I shall keep an ear/eye out for the results though I am hoping my daughter and family will be here for 24 hours from tomorrow morning. So I will catch up with how she's done afterwards. When I used to watch the show after the Saturday live programme I would pop over to the digitalspy forum where there is a spoiler thread because the Sunday evening results show is actually filmed late Saturday night and almost always there was a spy in the audience who would leak the result onto digitalspy. So I would know a day early. Good fun!


She is an awesome dancer. I often wonder if the winning celebrities continue dancing. It would be a shame if they didn't because the winners are always awesome.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 18 Dec 2021 07:49AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-59664972
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: ditchdwellers on 18 Dec 2021 04:02PM
Thank you for the link Fiz. An interesting read and to see how pleased some other deaf and hearing impaired dancers are with Rose's appearance on Strictly. I also liked finding out more about how important dancing is to people.
Although an uncoordinated and clumsy person, I used to love my Morris dancing bashes. It took us to some lovely festivals and we had such a laugh until it ended. I do miss it so much.
Dance can be such a joyous thing I hate to think of anyone being excluded. Now that I'm unable to do such things I enjoy music and watching other people dance instead!


I really think that I might be becoming a Strictly convert  :f_laugh: . What have you all done to me?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 18 Dec 2021 09:44PM
 :f_laugh:


I'm wishing Rose well, not being able to watch the BBC at all. I shall keep an eye out for the results.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 18 Dec 2021 10:40PM
Well done Rose  :thumbsup:  🎉🏆🍾
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: ally on 19 Dec 2021 09:00AM
I’m glad rose won.  She deserved it, as she’s a brilliant dancer.   She won for that reason alone, and, not because she’s deaf.
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: Fiz on 19 Dec 2021 05:58PM
Cried my eyes out watching this. I'm so pleased for her https://youtu.be/i8ZkeY6TPB0
Title: Re: Disability on Strictly come Dancing and other reality shows
Post by: SashaQ on 15 Jan 2022 09:34PM
Yes, the final was superb!   :f_rainbow: :f_loveblush: :f_magic_2: