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Sunshine Meadows

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I was just reading  www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/pip-assessment-guide.pdf. Pg 70 and given some of the information and articles out there I think this is 'good news'

Aids and appliances

3.2.16. The assessment takes into account where individuals need aids and appliances to complete activities.

 In this context:
• Aids are devices that help a performance of a function, for example, walking sticks or spectacles.
• Appliances are devices that provide or replace a missing function, for example artificial limbs, collecting devices (stomas) and wheelchairs. 

3.2.17. The assessment will take into account aids and appliances that individuals normally use and low cost, commonly available ones which someone with their impairment might reasonably be expected to use, even if they are not normally used.

3.2.18. This may include mainstream items used by people without an impairment, where because of their impairment the claimant is completely reliant on them to complete the activity. For example, this would include an electric can-opener where the claimant could not open a can without one, not simply where they prefer to use one.

3.2.19. Activity 11 refers specifically to “orientation aids”, which are defined as specialist aids designed to assist disabled people in following a route.

3.2.20. Claimants who use or could reasonably be expected to use aids to carry out an activity will generally receive a higher scoring descriptor than those who can carry out the activity unaided.
 
3.2.21. When considering whether it is reasonable to expect a claimant to use an aid or appliance that they do not usually use, the HP should consider whether:

• The claimant possesses the aid or appliance. • The aid or appliance is widely available. • The aid or appliance is available at no or low cost. • It is medically reasonable for them to use an aid or appliance.

• The claimant was given specific medical advice about managing their condition, and it is reasonable for them to continue following that advice.
• The claimant would be advised to use an aid or appliance if they sought advice from a professional such as a GP or occupational therapist.
• The claimant is able to use and store the aid or appliance.
• The claimant is unable to use an aid or appliance due to their physical or mental health condition – for example, they are unable to use a walking stick or manual wheelchair due to a cardiac, respiratory, upper body or mental health condition.

Assistance dogs

3.2.22.  We recognise that guide, hearing and dual sensory dogs are not ‘aids’ but have attempted to ensure that the descriptors capture the additional barriers and costs of needing such a dog where they are required to enable claimants to follow a route safely. Activity 11 therefore explicitly refers to the use of an ‘assistance dog’. Assistance dogs are defined as dogs trained to help people with sensory impairments.

‘Unaided’
3.2.23. Within the assessment criteria, the ability to perform an activity ‘unaided’ means without either the use of aids or appliances or help from another person.
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Sunshine Meadows

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Re: Pip and the 'Invisible Wheelchair' is this good news?
« Reply #1 on: 01 Feb 2013 04:15PM »
Sorry the house was noisy earlier and I could not concentrate on writing more than just the copy and paste ~bosh~

I think the information I posted is good news because it means when it comes to the PIP criteria the government are not going to go forward with a simple view of things eg a person who does not use a wheelchair would be more mobile if they had one.

The confusing thing for me though is I cant find this same level of thought in relation to the way ESA is being assessed. Maybe just a lack of joined up thinking  >hmm<

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Re: Pip and the 'Invisible Wheelchair' is this good news?
« Reply #2 on: 01 Feb 2013 05:07PM »
I am concerned that Madame McVey is constantly speaking about the differences in PIP and ESA and that the assessment for one will be conducted at a different centre or by a different HCP.  This makes me believe that the differences in the descriptors may be different for the two benefits.
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Re: Pip and the 'Invisible Wheelchair' is this good news?
« Reply #3 on: 01 Feb 2013 05:39PM »
ATurtle,

It is further complicated by the way information given during ESA assessments can be used when it comes to current DLA claims and one would assume PIP claims when they begin.

Hopefully the Government will bring ESA in- line with the information stated in regard to PIP and so it will improve the situation for current and future claimants.

It is worth remembering that for a lot of us our claims wont be looked at until 2015.

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« Reply #4 on: 01 Feb 2013 06:50PM »
It is further complicated by the way information given during ESA assessments can be used when it comes to current DLA claims ...

It is worth remembering that for a lot of us our claims wont be looked at until 2015.

Tell me about it!  I am being depressed by the thumb of AtoS/DWP using a flawed assessment for ESA to suspend my DLA! There's 5 things (sorry people, sorry girls) keeping me from going too far.
Tony.

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Re: Pip and the 'Invisible Wheelchair' is this good news?
« Reply #5 on: 01 Feb 2013 08:01PM »
ATurtle,

Don't let the  >bleep<s grind you down, it is important to never give up  >bighugs<

A bit more good news might help.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21287323

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.....Regulations governing eligibility for benefits for disabled people will be changed after criticism of their likely impact, the government has announced.

As a result, how - and not just whether - a claimant is able to accomplish tasks like walking and planning journeys will help determine the amount they are entitled to in benefits.

Claimants who manage the tasks, but not "reliably", will get higher payments.

Ministers admitted there were concerns that the proposals were "unclear".

The Personal Independence Payment (PIP) will replace the existing Disability Living Allowance (DLA) in April. People who are less mobile will be entitled to higher payments.

Campaigners had warned that people deemed capable of walking more than 20 metres could receive lower payments - even if they were unable to do so "safely, reliably, repeatedly and in a reasonable time period"......

For more  go here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21184056 and here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20709623

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Re: Pip and the 'Invisible Wheelchair' is this good news?
« Reply #6 on: 01 Feb 2013 08:19PM »
I wonder why a story about disability benefits has been posted under "Business News"?

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Re: Pip and the 'Invisible Wheelchair' is this good news?
« Reply #7 on: 01 Feb 2013 08:32PM »
Because it refers to businesses getting more money or Landlords being businesses?
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Re: Pip and the 'Invisible Wheelchair' is this good news?
« Reply #8 on: 02 Feb 2013 10:00AM »
NN,

Well spotted.
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Re: Pip and the 'Invisible Wheelchair' is this good news?
« Reply #9 on: 03 Feb 2013 01:02AM »
Here's the DWP press release for the latest BBC story SunshineMeadows posted in reply #5:

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/newsroom/press-releases/2013/jan-2013/dwp016-13.shtml

The reason I looked it up was because the BBC only mentioned "reliably" in their story, but the regulations will in fact be amended to include "safely, to an acceptable standard, repeatedly and in a reasonable time period". The draft amendment is on the DWP PIP assessment criteria page (scroll down to "Including consideration of reliability in the PIP Regulations"), or you can get it directly from here:

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/pip-draft-amendment-regs-2013.pdf

NOTE: both this amendment and the PIP assessment guide "may be subject to further refinement", so keep your eyes peeled for more bait-and-switch misbehaviour from the Government.

For example, there's not the slightest suggestion of rolling back the replacement of 50 metres with 20 metres. I personally suspect that the apparent concession on "safely, to an acceptable standard, repeatedly and in a reasonable time period" is merely a diversion while the Government goes for their real objective: the big distance change that they expect to save them the most money.

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Re: Pip and the 'Invisible Wheelchair' is this good news?
« Reply #10 on: 03 Feb 2013 12:23PM »
Pages 72-78 make interesting reading, especially the examples that are given.

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NOTE: both this amendment and the PIP assessment guide "may be subject to further refinement", so keep your eyes peeled for more bait-and-switch misbehaviour from the Government.

I am left wondering the same thing after all the parameters for  "safely, to an acceptable standard, repeatedly and in a reasonable time period" are going to be determined by whatever the DWP decides and illustrates with examples and with the new 20 meter cut off point they have gain a huge advantage in the process of reducing the amount of successful claims.


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Re: Pip and the 'Invisible Wheelchair' is this good news?
« Reply #11 on: 03 Feb 2013 02:58PM »
"Pip and the invisible Wheelchair"  sounds like a good title for a children's book I remember reading " Peter and the Flying Saucers", the very first library book I ever borrowed when about seven years of age.  >biggrin<
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Re: Pip and the 'Invisible Wheelchair' is this good news?
« Reply #12 on: 03 Feb 2013 11:09PM »
Pip and the Invisible Wheelchair

Once upon a time Pip was told he had a wheelchair, but he couldnt see it. 
Its over there said the nice David man from Woodenland and Parsnips.  >devil<
Where said Pip I still cant see it can you? he asked

We dont give A toss they said but if David says you got one you must have

Pip asked again, so all the nice people of the village came out to look for the wheelchair  >bighugs<
None of them could find it, they looked high and low
They helped Pip because he couldnt walk and all the village knew this
They never knew he had a wheelchair either, as  they had  never seen it  >confused<

The moral of this story is................ Pip has no wheelchair, everyone knows he has NO wheelchair.
So just because someone says it,   it doesnt make it true  >doh<



No offence intended  delete if you want to




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Re: Pip and the 'Invisible Wheelchair' is this good news?
« Reply #13 on: 04 Feb 2013 08:24AM »
John and Bubble,

 >cool-shades< it took me ages to think of that title  >wink-smile<I am glad it made you  >smiling<

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Re: Pip and the 'Invisible Wheelchair' is this good news?
« Reply #14 on: 04 Feb 2013 09:40AM »
Bubble, that's a very clever little fairy tale and gave me a good  >lol<  >thumbsup<