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JLR2

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What would have happened had...
« on: 01 Dec 2013 07:48PM »
Had the welfare reforms brought in by IDS been introduced for new claimants only?  Would there have been the same reactions from those on such as indefinite awards?

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« Reply #1 on: 01 Dec 2013 11:44PM »
Being cynical, JLR2, I suspect that the answer is probably not

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« Reply #2 on: 02 Dec 2013 12:14PM »
''cynical'' maybe but certainly, I would suggest, more honest.

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« Reply #3 on: 03 Dec 2013 11:31PM »
We have had support from people who weren't affected by the welfare cuts, often because they knew people who would be. On that basis, I like to think that if the boot had been on the other foot, some of us would still have spoken out against unfair cuts being inflicted on someone else.

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« Reply #4 on: 03 Dec 2013 11:59PM »
I'm one of those "unaffected" ones Darth (for now anyway) but still I suspect some disabled people who were unaffected by the changes might not have spoken up for others (because there are always some)
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« Reply #5 on: 04 Dec 2013 12:00AM »
I'm not affected by the Spare Room Subsidy or Benefit Cap but I'm totally opposed to them and have protested at every opportunity, mainly by signing petitions and contacting my MP.

I don't subscribe to the 'I'm all right Jack' ethos and I'm mindful of the poem attributed to pastor Martin Niemöller:


    First they came for the Communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Communist.

    Then they came for the Socialists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for me,
    and there was no one left to speak for me.

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« Reply #6 on: 04 Dec 2013 12:50AM »
I'm one of those "unaffected" ones Darth (for now anyway) but still I suspect some disabled people who were unaffected by the changes might not have spoken up for others (because there are always some)
regards, Deb

That's a fair point, Deb. I might even have been one of those people myself if the Government hadn't targeted DLA in the June 2010 "Emergency Budget", because the DLA / PIP cuts are the only ones that directly affect me.

That was the event which opened my eyes to the total lack of integrity that this Government have shown in pursuing their policies. Until then, I had put a great deal more trust in "the authorities" than I do now.

I've since become much more active in opposing what I consider to be bad policy, sometimes in self-interest and sometimes not. By now, I've spoken out against several other welfare cuts, especially those which affect disabled people, and I've made my views firmly known on a range of other subjects as well.

However, that might never have happened if I hadn't taken a direct hit first. I'm sure there are a lot more people like me out there who would be willing to help, but never encounter something convincing enough to make them realise that their help is needed.

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« Reply #7 on: 04 Dec 2013 02:33PM »
"However, that might never have happened if I hadn't taken a direct hit first."

This is how I think the government are getting away with so much of these welfare reforms. Most of the population be they in employment or looking for work have so many things facing them in their own battle to keep things together they just don't really have either the time or energy to take in what is happening to others.

Though I am currently in the support group I expect when I go through my next reassessment I'll be faced with having to make an appeal. From what I have understood of things come the day I have to submit an appeal my world will implode as being on my own I will have no one to turn to, no one is going to be funding my house's rent payments and so far as being able to afford to continue my broadband connection, pay my various bills including for the coal which I use to heat my home this will be...  .....  well impossible for me.
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« Reply #8 on: 04 Dec 2013 03:09PM »
I haven't taken a hit [yet ]
Because of my age, when I was on IB I was left alone because I was close to retirement. The reason being so I wouldn't have two benefit changes in a short time.
I might take a hit in 2015 because of the change to PIP from DLA, as I was only 64 in April 2013 [ but 65 in June >doh< ]

But I have signed petitions, got other people to sign, emailed MP's and those in the other place. One email I sent to my local MP [ Tory  >crying<] was on behalf of those after me. He didn't reply , but I did get a letter from the DWP because of it >lol<

I also sent a personal email to Lord Freud, he didn't reply either

I was also a spartici for the twitter campaign.

The wife and I can manage, but we do worry about others.


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« Reply #9 on: 04 Dec 2013 03:42PM »
"One email I sent to my local MP [ Tory  >crying<] was on behalf of those after me. He didn't reply , but I did get a letter from the DWP because of it >lol<

I also sent a personal email to Lord Freud, he didn't reply either"

It is this kind of attitude being shown by MP's that has me muttering about .357 magnums >angry<

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« Reply #10 on: 04 Dec 2013 04:05PM »
It is this kind of attitude being shown by MP's that has me muttering about .357 magnums >angry<


You want to throw ice cream at them? what a waste >biggrin<

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« Reply #11 on: 04 Dec 2013 04:12PM »
" You want to throw ice cream at them? what a waste >biggrin< "

Aye, you ever tried the lead flavoured Magnum?  :-)  Its only weakness is the horrible after taste >devil<

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« Reply #12 on: 04 Dec 2013 04:20PM »
"Aye, you ever tried the lead flavoured Magnum?  :-)  Its only weakness is the horrible after taste >devil<" >

To heavy for my taste I think >lol<

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Re: What would have happened had...
« Reply #13 on: 04 Dec 2013 04:22PM »
I don't subscribe to the 'I'm all right Jack' ethos and I'm mindful of the poem attributed to pastor Martin Niemöller:


    First they came for the Communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Communist.

    Then they came for the Socialists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for me,
    and there was no one left to speak for me.

Couldn't agree more, Minniehaha >thumbsup<

Nevertheless, I can see that for many people, direct experience of the cuts might be what is needed to galvanise active opposition. For example, a mate of mine claims JSA, and it was having his own benefits sanctioned in a very unfair way that finally prompted him to start annoying his MP, MLAs etc, rather than just expressing sympathy for the plight of other claimants.

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« Reply #14 on: 05 Dec 2013 12:38AM »
"Though I am currently in the support group I expect when I go through my next reassessment I'll be faced with having to make an appeal. From what I have understood of things come the day I have to submit an appeal my world will implode as being on my own I will have no one to turn to, no one is going to be funding my house's rent payments and so far as being able to afford to continue my broadband connection, pay my various bills including for the coal which I use to heat my home this will be...  .....  well impossible for me."

JLR2 does this mean you will be left with no income at all if you have to appeal?   I did not think that was allowed ...
regards, Deb