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Title: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Strontium Green on 22 Feb 2021 10:24PM

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« on: Today at 02:29 PM »

Today we will hear in detail Boris's roadmap for coming out of lockdown and easing restrictions. So far we have schools reopening on March 8th and on the same date we can meet up with one other person outside. I have already arranged a rendezvous on a park bench/camping chair with a friend that day! Nice to have something in the diary!


I wonder when hospitality will restart and other things reopening. How do you feel about it all?
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Strontium Green on 22 Feb 2021 10:26PM
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« Reply #1 on: Today at 02:54 PM »

What I have heard so far seems reasonable. I think we have to be very careful not to relax social distancing too soon. Despite the good vaccination turnout there is still a large body of people not vaccinated and we only have to look back to Xmas to see what happens if social mixing is eased.

With Easter approaching I think there will be enormous temptation to meet friends and relatives and I don't trust the public to observe social distancing if people are allowed to meet indoors.

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« Reply #2 on: Today at 03:55 PM »

I have been requested to shield until at least the end of March.

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« Reply #3 on: Today at 04:30 PM »

I think it all looks reasonable too.


I think with 'an end in sight' and dates ahead for all the various restrictions lifting more people will adhere to the rules than if there was no end in sight. There have been and will be some who don't agree with restrictions and aren't adhering to them anyway but generally I think having dates in the diary will keep many people on track.


I'm shielding until the end of March too oldtone. I'm liking the dates though and the assurance that shielding should end in March and hopefully not be repeated.


I had an adrenal crisis yesterday but chose not to follow advice and call an ambulance and go to hospital because I wanted to stay Covid safe. I was pretty unwell even after my emergency injection but managed it all okay at home.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunshine Meadows on 23 Feb 2021 11:58AM
I think Oldtone is right about being careful not to relax social distancing too soon. From what I have heard in the news the general public are like children in a sack race on a hot summers day. Some follow the rules exactly and keep both feet in the sack and hop hop towards the finish line, while others fall over keep on foot in the sack and do a sort of following the rules half run, and then there are the ones that run holding the sack in the hand. It does not even have to be deliberate, I mean it seems to me that those of us who have barely been out have not got into the social distancing habit so dont move around in a 2m bubble.

Fiz how are you feeling today?
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 24 Feb 2021 05:01PM
I have a reoccurrence of my wisdom tooth infection and my body doesn't make enough cortisol to fight infections so I have been unwell. I managed to get downstairs at 1.30pm and ate something but am back in bed now. I am struggling to drink though and barely have the energy to sit up. I did manage to draw up a hydrocortisone injection and give myself it on Sunday so only started feeling really unwell yesterday. I have updosed steroids today but am reticent to updose much as I have been trying to wean off steroids and that would be a massive backwards step. 

I'm shocked that the Reading and Leeds festivals are going ahead. People don't wash their hands at festivals or social distance and many people will still be unvaccinated. However Boris said that all legal restrictions on social gatherings end on June 21st so I guess this was inevitable. Madness.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunshine Meadows on 25 Feb 2021 05:25PM
I am sorry you are so unwell, are you able to have food and drink on hand near your bed for times like these? We have talked before about the way I can feel faint and wobbly, that it seems to be a blood sugar thing so I get in a small way how it must feel for you. I realise you are trying to wean off steroids but it could be that it would be better to keep them going for a while. You need to be well enough to have the vaccine when your turn arrives.

Hugsss
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 25 Feb 2021 08:57PM
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I'm shocked that the Reading and Leeds festivals are going ahead
Me too, didn't similar happen last year with a horse-racing (ie, 'super-spreader') event??


I think coming out of this lockdown with caution is the correct approach and I hope people don't go silly and think they can just go back to 'normal' immediately :f_doh:
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 26 Feb 2021 05:38PM
Simple Politics (do follow them on Instagram) were posing the question about whether or not it was right to have a roadmap so far ahead when all dates are not fixed and may change if the four conditions are not met and changing dates may make the public unhappy. I agree with the thoughts that the roadmap was needed to give us hope. This third lockdown has been horrendous for me mentally and I definitely need some hope of contact with others. I do understand that things may be postponed and know that if they are they'll be good reason. 

Today is the first day that I have felt strong enough to sit up and drink. I'm hoping that I will be well enough to shower tomorrow having been in bed since Saturday apart from a couple of hours on Monday and Tuesday I feel desperate for a wash. Hopefully I have turned a corner today.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: ditchdwellers on 27 Feb 2021 10:15AM
My husband and I have always taken our son, daughter in law, and two small grandchildren on a UK self catering holiday every summer. The last few years we have been to the Isle of Wight and last year the cottage was so lovely we booked to return this year. Imagine my shock when the owner contacted me recently to confirm that the booking and checking I still wanted to go, and the price. Last year we hadn't discussed a price for this year. I should have known better. The price has gone up by £600! 

I think I may have to ask my son to pay his own ferry crossing. Usually we pay for everything as it's our annual treat to the family, but I just don't think we can afford to this year. I save hard and budget for this holiday all year, but not the extra £600.

I'm not sure if this classes as profiteering or average rates for the area. Or if the guy is just trying to recover some of his pandemic losses. I just know it would be impossible to find an alternative, so we're stuck with paying or no holiday. The kids love the ferry trip, and there's so much to do on the island for family holidays, we would all be disappointed not to go.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 27 Feb 2021 12:48PM
Yes companies and property owners have hiked the prices with the ease of lockdown. I suspect had you agreed on a price at the time of booking the price would not have been £600 higher! I had to cancel a property booked via Sykes for this June and they refused to return my deposit which is a THIRD of the rental for the week and have now relet the property for almost £400 more than I had been going to pay so Sykes have made £800 from my cancellation! Unsurprisingly there are 5300+ members of unhappy Sykes Facebook group members! 

I have booked a week away in a property large enough for all 3 children, their other halves and the grandchildren for May half term in 2022 when hopefully this will all be a distant memory. It's a 4 night break rather than a week due to price but it will be lovely for us all to be together. Hopefully my health will be better by then and I won't be plagued so much by fatigue. 

I'd booked a place for me and a friend in the Peak District for September which should go ahead which will be nice.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: ditchdwellers on 27 Feb 2021 01:40PM
It's been so disappointing not to see those close to me, that I can't tell you how much this holiday means to me. I guess you understand Fiz, and are desperately looking forward to your holidays too! To be able to spend quality time with our family and friends is wonderful. The Peak district is beautiful. What a lovely place to visit! 

We used to take four night holidays when the children were very small, but now they're a bit older (5 and 7) we go for the seven nights. I know there will come a time when they won't want to come on holiday with granny so I'm making the most of it  :f_laugh:
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: SteveX on 03 Mar 2021 09:48PM
I used to visit my mum every 2 weeks, we spend the evening together and have a takeaway delivered.  it's been a year now since I visited her and I cannot put into words how much I've missed it.  I dearly hope this ends soon, I want to hug my mum again.

Sadly I guess all the selfish people will go crazy and we'll be in another lockdown, although it seems some people are carrying on as usual.  Two of my neighbours have had parties with 12-16 people at them in the last couple of months.  They just don't care
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: oldtone27 on 04 Mar 2021 08:54AM
I share Steve's concern. There are reports today that the reduction in cases is failing in some areas. As lockdown has not changed this is being attributed to complacency.

The problem is it only takes a few to allow this virulent virus to spread. Even just one is enough if they happen to be a 'super spreader' i.e. someone who encounters many others quite possibly for legitimate reason.

I don't think we can relax social distancing for some while yet.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: ditchdwellers on 04 Mar 2021 11:12AM
I really don't understand how some people can be so irresponsible. They seem to have no sense of the severity of the situation or social responsibility. 
It's a sort of it will never happen to me attitude. I find this burying their heads in the sand view oddly fascinating. It's a a bit like assuming you will always be fit and healthy and never acquire a chronic illness or disability at a young age. It only ever happens to other people, right? I'll be alright Jack!
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 05 Mar 2021 02:52PM
Thankfully as a country we are doing well with the vaccines and although numbers may rise as restrictions are lifted and a few ignore restrictions I think the vaccine roll out will prevent another lockdown. The worst that could happen in my thinking is tiers return and to a point I think tiers can be effective because it means people feel responsible for bringing numbers down in their areas. 

My aim for March is to tidy and clean my garden ready for outdoor meet ups at the end of the month.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 05 Mar 2021 09:34PM
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It's a a bit like assuming you will always be fit and healthy and never acquire a chronic illness or disability at a young age. It only ever happens to other people, right? I'll be alright Jack!
Tell that to the 'look at how superfit I am' runners who thunder past me sometimes so close I feel their 'downdraft' - I have to bite my tongue when I really want to yell after them, 'Not heard of social distancing, then?' :f_steam:



Fiz, can we all come to your first garden party?  Oh wait, that would be the rule of six down the pan, then ...

I too remain optimistic that the vaccination programme will put an end to all these damn lockdowns - getting a bit bored of 'non-essential retail' being closed more often than it's open :f_erm: (no, I don't shop online and don't want to as delivery a bit of a problem where I live)  And anyway, it's nice to see and feel the goods for real, as it were!
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunshine Meadows on 07 Mar 2021 07:58PM
Runners downdraft  :f_wah: :f_yikes: :f_doh:

School open again tomorrow and I cant help but wonder about all the children who have thrived during lockdown. Boys and girls which find it difficult to be at school eg around a lot of noise, people, bullies etc.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 09 Mar 2021 09:58PM
My 6yo grandaughter was thrilled to go back to school yesterday and is very happy. She's considerably behind where she should be for her age and year group. I do hope the government sort out how the children will catch up with missed learning. These early years at school are crucial. 

My 12yo grandaughter was ahead of her peers a year ago and has studied hard at home so I am hoping that she'll be okay and not disadvantaged even if she's no longer ahead. 

I had cancelled a decorator a couple of months back having decided that being CEV I shouldn't have anyone in my home. I've decided that I feel well enough protected by the first vaccine + 5 weeks to have contacted him to book in new dates. The earliest he can start is April 27th by which time I will have had my second vaccination and be building up almost full immunity from that so it's all good. I have never had a professional decorator before, I can't wait to get my lounge done. It's exciting.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunshine Meadows on 10 Mar 2021 12:05PM
Fiz,

I hope both your grandaughters do well getting back into the routine of being at school, and that the catch up on what they need to. This includes reading books, running around, solving maths making new friends and chatting to old ones, creating art and smiling, giggling and having fun.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 12 Apr 2021 01:55PM
To celebrate the opening of personal care and non essential retail today, I had my legs waxed! Way to end shielding hey?!  :f_laugh:

Second vaccine is booked for Friday which means that I shall be well protected by 7th May. Hair cut is booked for Wednesday, I am desperate for a cut. These appointments aside I shall await my full protection from the second vaccine before going into shops or buildings now.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: oldtone27 on 12 Apr 2021 02:14PM
Met a friend for an outdoor coffee this morning. Chilly, but only had a couple of spits of rain so no problem. Fortunately where we sat was sheltered from the wind, and even had a little warmth from some brief sunshine.

Going back to the car I passed my barber's. Massive queue and only doing first come first served at present. Reckon at least an hour or so wait which I do not do these days. Will wait until it quietens. I can put up with the Worzel Gummidge look a bit longer.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 12 Apr 2021 09:35PM
Hope you have a nice piece of straw to chew on - ooh-arrrr :f_winkeye:

Leg waxing :f_yikes:

Town certainly busier this morning, queue outside Primark, apparently this store doesn't do online (well, I never knew that)  Not that I wanted to go into Primark myself, I was just glad that Marks and Spencer food hall was quiet.  I expect people are a bit fed up with supermarket-type places now that 'non-essential retail' has opened its doors again!
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 12 Apr 2021 10:58PM
I drove past a barbers today and there was at least ten men queuing outside down the pavement, probably more. That would be hopeless for me too with pain standing. Very glad that my hairdresser does appointments. My daughter saw my ex-sil and nieces today and my great nephews apparently have really long hair as they've not been able to get to a barbers and it was hearing that that made me realise how tough this lockkdown has been for children and men. I have hacked at my own fringe a couple of times but the longer look is okay for women. 

It feels strange things being open again. My daughter met the family members in a park by a river today and because it was so cold there weren't many people there.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 16 Apr 2021 07:29AM
I was given a date finally for my wisdom tooth to be removed on Tuesday 20th and the lady who booked me in couldn't believe that I haven't been in a shop in well over a year. Am I the only shielder who has actually been shielding?!

Unfortunately when I progressed to the phone pre op assessment my second Covid Vaccination that I am having this afternoon means the oral surgery needs to be postponed because no elective surgery can be done for two weeks after the vaccine as"the body has enough to cope with". So I am waiting for a new date for after 30th April. My tooth is so painful, I can't wait, but hopefully it won't be long now until it's out.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: ally on 16 Apr 2021 09:40AM
My hair grows incredibly fast.  I had it cut when lock down lifted last time.  Now, it’s past my shoulders.   I’ve also hacked my fringe, and, the bangs on the side of my face.  I’ve left the length, as I’ll probably make a right mess of it.   I have an appointment for the middle of may at the hairdressers, providing all goes to plan.  I saw my GP for the first time for over a year.  She insisted my husband rang the pain clinic due to the red sore angry looking rash that’s spread on my stomach from the battery on the SCS site.  The problem is due to losing over four and a half stone, and, the battery is now too near the skin.  It’s flipped, and, is sticking out. 

The pain clinic asked for a photo of the above.   They told me to come in, so, I spent all day at the hospital on Wednesday.   I was taken to the ward to be poked, and, prodded.  As usual, no one could get any bloods from the veins in my arms.  Due to my communication issue, my protests were ignored.  My husband intervened on my behalf, and, they stopped twisting needles into my arms.  I’m seeing the phlebotomist at our surgery this afternoon.  She’s the only person that can get bloods, lucky.  I haven’t missed the above, and, hospitals that’s for sure.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 16 Apr 2021 05:46PM
That sounds really tough ally. I hope they can successfully solve the problem with the battery and rash.  :f_hug:
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 16 Apr 2021 09:23PM
Yes, and your painful tooth should have been removed a long time ago, by the sounds of it, Fiz - I think it's disgraceful how people have been left in severe states of pain, from whatever body parts, apparently because of this wretched virus :f_steam:  Especially after all this 'protect the NHS' stuff and those specially-built new Nightingale hospitals, was there really no way/no staff to carry out more timely procedures that would relieve the misery??
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: ditchdwellers on 17 Apr 2021 04:49PM
I quite agree with you Kizzy.

Fiz - good luck with the second jab and I hope you get a new date through quickly for your wisdom tooth extraction. Being in such dreadful pain is just awful on top of everything else your dealing with  :big_hugs:

Ally - I sympathise with the blood test issues. The phlebotomist at my GP surgery is one of the few people who can get blood from me. The rest leave me like a bloody pin cushion and I bruise really easily. I think they forget how painful it can be. Hopefully the doctors will get to the bottom of your rash and the placement of your battery without too much further prodding and poking  :big_hugs:
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 17 Apr 2021 06:27PM
Unfortunately the hospital which does day surgery was privatised several years ago and is a Practice Plus Hospital run by Care UK. The NHS is going to the dogs. All you get is answerphones if you phone them and no amount of messages left with them results in someone phoning you back. The administration is horrendous, I just hope that when the day eventually comes, the medical care will be okay. More and more hospitals will be privatised as time goes on, the government will save because they won't have to pay NHS pensions to the staff. 

I'm all jabbed up and I have a suitably sore arm but no other symptoms. It's a relief to be well protected. The Pfizer is proving very effective. I'm hoping that a booster to cover variants won't be needed at a later date but we'll see.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 18 Apr 2021 09:08PM
Yes, and let's hope the 'variants of concern' won't turn Boris's 'road-map' into a motorway pile-up... I'm not sure how the long-suffering people of Britain would respond to a summer of continuing restrictions or even worse, a fourth full lockdown - no, surely it won't come to that, she says optimistically!
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: On the edge on 19 Apr 2021 09:25AM
Obviously from Wales, we aren't doing anything much at present as is England.  I will still be having restrictions when most others won't later assuming the pubs open and home visits start again because despite me and my partner and son and his residential care staff all having 2 vaccinations they will still ban any home visits at all unless we provide proof of being covid free, prior to each and every visit, which means essentially other family members will be able to see their kids at some point and without a covid test but we can't. 

Also, people can come here from England Scotland and even India etc with not really any test as such currently.  I do feel hard done by frankly.  WHY did I even have a vaccination if they are still viewed as non-viable or effective?    The other aspect is self testing may not be accepted as reliable either so potentially I would have to pay for someone else neutral to do it, great scam for some!
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: ditchdwellers on 19 Apr 2021 10:48AM
Blimey, I didn't realise it was as bad as that in Wales! No wonder you feel so hard done by  :big_hugs:
I don't understand how they can justify allowing tourists to  visit while putting so many restrictions on residents. You have my sympathy.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 19 Apr 2021 02:10PM
My son in Wales can only currently do the same as me in England. I can't wait to see him, I haven't seen him since 2019 because we were locked down when he wasn't and he was in lockkdown when I wasn't last year and there was never a window with both open to cross the border. I'm hoping to see him in June if the roadmap goes ahead. The last time I was there was for the Wales airshow which was stunning and I totally managed it despite my spine! I will definitely return another year for the airshow there. He's back at work having been furloughed but he works in hospitality so no customers yet. I have to say I spoke my mind to a friend who went to stay with her Mum in Wales during lockdown. Her opinion was the one breach wouldn't affect things but if everybody did what they liked ignoring restrictions things would be far worse. Thankfully/hopefully most people are keeping to the rules. I am.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: On the edge on 21 Apr 2021 10:47AM
We are the mercy of others complying despite what we do that is the issue :(
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 22 Apr 2021 09:31PM
You're totally right there, OtE - my concern is some people might get over-complacent due to the success of the vaccine roll-out in general (and even just the fact that they themselves might have had the jab "so we're safe now")

We'll most likely have to do the social distancing/face masks thing for quite a while yet, vaccinated or not...
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: oldtone27 on 23 Apr 2021 09:45AM
I agree. I am a little concerned over reports this morning that we are officially 'pandemic free'. Not sure exactly what it means, but I feel it could be misinterpreted as a green light to abandon all precautions.

That would be a grave risk in my opinion. Vaccination needs to much more complete before that should happen.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: On the edge on 23 Apr 2021 10:47AM
It's a concern those of us with relatives in supportive or residential care are still being unfairly discriminated against because Insurance companies and local authorities say WE (Not the general public, not covid-infected care staff!), are more a risk to them.   Since March last year, it is nearly 8 months overall since any regular visit took place, completely disrupting essential parental and family relationships and support, and adding to mental health issues as well.  Why are we being made to feel guilty and others doing what they want?
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: oldtone27 on 23 Apr 2021 11:42AM
OTE, I can understand your concern. I am not directly affected so I am not clear on exactly what the access rules to care home residents are at present. What I read is that the situation seems very confused. As you say the insurance companies are dictating terms although this could be an excuse for some homes to be over cautious.

My understanding of the situation is that most residents have been vaccinated with a large proportion having had both doses. That should render them reasonably safe. The problem may be that there is quite a high proportion of staff not vaccinated. Also I wonder if the homes have confidence that their testing regime is reliable enough. That possibly leads to a higher risk of introducing the virus, particularly new strains.

There does not seem to be much evidence for this happening, but given the appalling situation that existed at the begriming of the pandemic I can understand why some might be ultra cautious.

You probably have a better knowledge of the situation than I, so what do you the rules should be?
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 23 Apr 2021 01:31PM
Currently in England each adult care home resident can have two named visitors who each have to complete a 30 minute rapid test before entry. Wales has generally had stricter rules during Lockdown as they prioritise NHS funding differently.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 23 Apr 2021 02:44PM
Totally. Clothes are definitely thinner than they used to be I'm sure businesses are cashing in on people buying online and not seeing the garments!  Unfortunately I am a size larger than last year and need new clothes.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 24 Apr 2021 09:25PM
*cough* er Fiz, did you by chance intend to post the above on a different thread? :f_winkeye:
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 25 Apr 2021 11:18AM
:f_doh: :f_laugh:
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: On the edge on 25 Apr 2021 11:30AM
OTE, I can understand your concern. I am not directly affected so I am not clear on exactly what the access rules to care home residents are at present. What I read is that the situation seems very confused. As you say the insurance companies are dictating terms although this could be an excuse for some homes to be over cautious.

My understanding of the situation is that most residents have been vaccinated with a large proportion having had both doses. That should render them reasonably safe. The problem may be that there is quite a high proportion of staff not vaccinated. Also I wonder if the homes have confidence that their testing regime is reliable enough. That possibly leads to a higher risk of introducing the virus, particularly new strains.

There does not seem to be much evidence for this happening, but given the appalling situation that existed at the begriming of the pandemic I can understand why some might be ultra cautious.

You probably have a better knowledge of the situation than I, so what do you the rules should be?

Just to give residents the same rights as anyone else.  It isn't only insurance companies but social services etc who said care homes must protect the patient/resident or THEY will sue them, this tends to restrict totally access to residents in care and those in supported accommodation who are virtually imprisoned.  Given the last 13months homes were totally vulnerable to covid too, whereas we followed very strict rules because we want our child safe, he would have been safer with us than in residential care.  If families outside can see and interact with their kids without issue OR tests, then this seems a punitive measure on the most vulnerable and those that love them. 

E.G they can now meet some residents outdoors and unsupervised they have no way of ensuring that means there is zero or even low risk.  It's complete chaos and a failure to understand the guidelines, goodness knows we had it hammered into us day in and day out, did they not take in anything themselves?  Just a blanket ban on everything to be 'safe' and, it didn't work did it?
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 02 May 2021 12:04PM
My church was starting services today and I had booked a space to go. Then I received a church email yesterday talking about keeping 2 metre distances and for some reason that caused a panic attack. I had thought that as we are masked 1 metre was okay but the 2 metres would make it difficult to hear each other in a busy room with others talking. Plus they're not putting chairs in a row, they're placing chairs either singular, two together or more as needed by people according to household/bubble size so my chair would be a lone chair on it's own and I am worried I will feel like a leper or Billy no mates. Plus despite being masked it's against the law to sing so we have to just listen. In the end all the anxieties about distancing was just too much and I didn't go. The restrictions are just not lifted enough right now for me to feel able to go to church. Roll on June 21st when all legal restrictions cease.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: bulekingfisher on 07 May 2021 06:27PM
Hello Old Tone

I live in a supported living house for people with brain injurer's + a male member of staff use's my beard trimmer to cut my hair free of charge + do's a good job. Yesterday I got my 2nd jab of A.Z so I think I'm safe but still wear my face mask if I go on the bus or in a shop + practice keeping my distance
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: oldtone27 on 08 May 2021 11:28AM
In England its still the law to wear a face mask on public transport and in shops etc. Don't know the position in Scotland but I think its still wise.

I must get off by backside and get my hair cut as this morning in the supermarket a chap was blocking my way and apologised saying "Sorry dear". I think he may of thought I was an old lady! :f_doh:
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 08 May 2021 06:23PM
:f_laugh: I think that's what you might describe as a 'wake-up call'...

Dad and I are just longing for restaurants to open up their indoor space so we can enjoy a particular venue's fabulous gut-busting carvery again - the erratic weather just isn't good enough for outdoor dining as far as we're concerned :f_erm:
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 18 Jul 2021 02:03PM
Unsurprisingly, and wisely in my opinion, we were told in church this morning that we should continue to wear masks in church for the foreseeable unless medically exempt but we'll be able to sing from next week. Masks won't hinder singing. We're also asked to socialise after the service outside the building rather than inside if the weather is suitable. I suspect churches won't be the only places extending protection as Boris is stopping the task of protecting the country. My local hospital has full Covid wards again and local schools have had to close for the summer due to the amount of staff pinged by the app to isolate. We're definitely in a fourth wave.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 18 Jul 2021 04:56PM
I've been saddened by some religious leaders and groups overseas and here during the course of the pandemic doing the "We'll be safe because God will protect us" thing and crowding into their churches or other places of worship.

Yet the flip side is places of worship like yours where the leaders and congregation are working together to keep people safe.

And it's been heartening seeing the co-ordinated effort by Islamic religious leaders and Muslim doctors to get the message across to people celebrating Eid al Adha that they have to be careful.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 19 Jul 2021 06:33AM
Every church I know of has had a booking system for places, with distances between chairs, no conversations or singing indoors even wearing masks. All this being government regulations so packed churches would be breaking the law and that's shocking. Very sad. 

I have Christian friends all around the country and we've all been eagerly waiting to be able to sing. None of my friends have bothered to attend church yet as no singing or talking allowed even in masks, they've been watching online and singing in their homes so Sunday will be the return to church for many. I've only been the last two Sundays since lockkdown one started so I'm new to it myself. If it wasn't so carefully distanced and careful with mask wearing, I wouldn't be going because numbers are currently so high.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 19 Jul 2021 03:58PM
A small number of churches of various denominations have breached lockdown rules.  That being said, I've only read of this happening in England and Wales and don't know about Scotland or NI.

It's such a shame, because most churches appear, like yours, to have gone to great lengths not just to comply with the rules but to take care in practical ways.

One of my local churches has been holding a weekly outdoor service when weather permits, in addition to having very carefully organised and arranged indoor services/activities when permitted to do so.  They have quite large grounds so this works.

So many people putting so much effort in to keep their fellow worshippers safe, whether organising or whether just staying away when that's the best thing to do.

I'm glad you and others can now worship in a way you enjoy.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 19 Jul 2021 05:51PM
I went into the post office and a store today. Both entrance doors said despite restrictions lifting they request that people continue to wear masks when possible and everybody was. Very reassuring.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 19 Jul 2021 06:13PM
I'm trying to pluck up courage to go to the supermarket.  Living in a dense urban area, and being currently able to walk quite a bit, I'm within approx 35-40 min walk of a lot of different shops.  During lockdown, they've varied massively in how considerate staff and customers are.  I think for the sake of feeling safe I'm going to have to use a small one that's got a lovely atmosphere but high prices and loads of junk food diverting me away from the fresh stuff.  

Yup, yet another way in which less well off people are punished in our society - if they got screwed over on their benefits claim, they have to buy their food in the cheapest shops which I bet will typically be the most dangerous in terms of customer behaviour.  I've been feeling very sorry for myself lately and was awake most of last night crying and I'm sitting here reminding myself how privileged I am to be able to choose my supermarket on the basis of safety not on the basis of can I somehow get enough calories to survive.

As for meeting people at churches, my social contact is, or was just before lockdown, typically through exercise/dance groups, some of which are in church halls.  One started again and I went to it recently, but I was disgusted with the instructor making a show of hygiene but at the expense of actual hygiene.  We use things like batons that we swing around and when people went to put them back in the bags, he said no, and got people to lay them out on the tables at the side of the hall.

As we were leaving, he was vaguely wiping them over with antibacterial wipes.  Well, ok, the detergent in wipes like that can mess up the virus' lipids, rendering it powerless, as can other detergents, but only if there's enough, so it was just tokenism.  And I'm entirely certain that either he will have not cleaned the tables or that he will just have made a token gesture.  

But for him, being seen to care about safety was more important than actually caring about safety.

I'd be less growly about it if he wasn't an active member of a church that's at the heart of the local community, with so much generosity and kindness that we all benefit from.  I'm trying not to be judgemental of him, but it's so difficult, isn't it?
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 20 Jul 2021 06:19AM
The thing that I am finding slightly nuts is there were massive queues yesterday evening with young people desperate to get into nightclubs. Their age group have so far mostly had one or no jabs. But the government has announced that from September by which time all 18 year olds would have been offered two vaccines, they will need evidence they've had both vaccines to go clubbing. Whereas last night people choosing to turn down offers of vaccines were jiving away in clubs. Nuts. I think for Boris it's all about the economy now, not people and lives.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 20 Jul 2021 11:12AM
I agree that for him it's about the economy, but either he isn't thinking logically about it, or he is but just wants to appear to be good for the bits of the economy we see instead of the investors that benefit from economic disasters.

Parts of the hospitality industry are already struggling for want of experienced staff thanks to the exodus of EU staff, and parts already had problems with self-isolating staff, and now they'll have more staff off sick.

The popular story in the media appears to be that this is all about people being pinged to self-isolate not about staff actually being ill.  The government has indicated that it won't change the system whereby you're advised (but not obliged) to self-isolate for ten days if pinged by the app (as opposed to being contacted by test and trace) but staff won't necessarily remove the app from their phones, and even if they do, how many infected people have to attend a venue before staff are contacted by test and trace?

I foresee a flood of venues closing for want of staff, but it will be convenient to the government to be able to blame the industry's problems on the pandemic not brexit.  It will also cover up for other problems like shortage of HGV drivers to deliver supplies of alcohol and food.  (Yes, I'm a 'remoaner' but I'm talking about how brexit has been handled, not about whether we should have had brexit.)
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: On the edge on 20 Jul 2021 08:53PM
I live in Wales usually the last area of the UK to 'catch up' with England and the rest of the UK.  I've always supported the restrictions and, lockdowns, I am aware we are all fighting a lethal pandemic it is not like a bout of annual flue to get over.  The COVID adapts to survive and develops counters to vaccines.  Basically I think opening everything up and relying on 'common sense' by Joe Public will blow up in Boris' face.  I suspect  a pivot point will be reached sooner rather than later, where taking ANY precaution is going to be ignored.  Young people e.g. have always been reluctant to comply, and I gather 35% still refuse a jab or wear a mask.

This means come September/October another lockdown and serious issues towards Xmas again.  The policy now seems to be OK we have vaccinated most of the old, vulnerable and disabled, now let nature take its course.  Of course, Nature is going to come back and clobber us all with a vengeance. COVID jabs last 6 months immunity-wise, which means my 'immunity' is about to run out shortly.  10% will still not be protected even with both jabs.  Because we isolated so well last Xmas time, we weren't really exposed to the annual flu as much, so we face this year's strain with a lot less protection if we all wander about not keeping our distances and not wearing masks either.

With those points in mind, I am against 'open house' in Wales, and quite annoyed the rest of the UK are going to come to Wales spreading COVID variances with impunity, I am doing the right thing, now I am being asked why do I bother?  It is irresponsible with infection rates soaring and, hospitalizations increasing as well.  Two  areas Boris said he would NOT lift restrictions if those number rose. Looks like survival of the fittest to me :(  Guess who suffered most when it all started? and will again.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 20 Jul 2021 09:32PM
As someone in England, I felt ashamed when last year there were times when there seemed to be whole crowds from where I live descending on Wales, but then it wasn't nice either when they descended on certain English towns, in both cases strewing the beaches and tourist areas with rubbish.

(It could be worse, I suppose.  In my army days we littered the Welsh hillsides with expletives!)

My only consolation in all of this is that I know that if I were to go for a walk now, most people would be weaving in and out of driveways and in and out of the road between parked cars in order to stay safely distanced.  I have to remind myself of that decent care for others in the midst of the horridness.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 21 Jul 2021 07:03AM
I haven't seen my son and dil who live in Wales since 2019 due to the pandemic. Even in the small windows when both countries weren't in lockdown we felt it too risky and wanted to minimise travel. I hope that I get to see them this year. 
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I actually think another lockkdown may happen. My area has the highest daily case numbers that it has ever had before, way higher than all previous lockdowns. The hospitals are getting more Covid cases consistently but as yet are not overwhelmed. I can see it happening though. 

Because Boris has repeatedly said that the ending of restrictions is irreversible, he'd have to go if that happened. Who on earth would we get next.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: KizzyKazaer on 21 Jul 2021 06:07PM
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Boris has repeatedly said that the ending of restrictions is irreversible
One of the stupidest things he has ever said, and that's going some...
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 21 Jul 2021 06:17PM
I totally agree. I just hope it's his downfall if numbers get far worse which is looking likely. 

I've just had an email from Sainsbury to say despite being told by the government that they need not provide priority delivery slots for vulnerable customers after July 19th, they are continuing to do so to ensure customers who do not yet feel safe to shop in-store will still get their deliveries so I remain on their priority delivery slot database. That's reassuring though I think that most people feel okay shopping in-store now because there seem to be no shortage of delivery slots.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 23 Jul 2021 08:02AM
Yesterday Boris said isolating when pinged was crucial in controlling the virus and today food workers no longer need to isolate when pinged ! You couldn't make it up. 

I realise they'll have daily tests instead BUT yet another 24 hour U turn.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 23 Jul 2021 11:43AM
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You couldn't make it up.
Most people wouldn't try, but Boris does.


I don't see a difference, behaviourally, between this and the famous story told by his old schoolmasters (which I probably refer to too often) of when he didn't bother to learn his lines for a play but just stuck them on the back of things where he could read them.

The difficulty with all this, as has been illustrated nicely on Ouchtoo in recent conversations, is that it's effectively impossible to know what's deliberate and what's not.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 23 Jul 2021 01:29PM
I think (as well as being a liar kudos to the labour MP thrown out of the commons yesterday for refusing to take back her statement about Boris being a liar) I think he's a bumbling idiot. I think he genuinely believed that the only way to keep this pandemic at controllable levels was for everybody pinged to self isolate so he said what he thought was necessary. Hours later he realised shops had no food in due to lack of deliveries, panic buying was starting and the situation with lack of deliveries with numbers isolating rising the situation was unintenable so he had to backtrack. Someone with more intelligence would have seen this coming as numbers have been steadily rising for weeks and other industries have had to close due to lack of staff so the fact this shocked him is shockingly poor foresight on his part. Clown.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 23 Jul 2021 02:01PM
It frightens me that he is a clown.

The more I ruminate (depressively) on international history, the more I reach the conclusion that a comment made on here in response to something I said is very pertinent to many leaderships.

We were discussing Hitler and the rise and development of Nazism, my pet topic on that being that it developed and changed rather than suddenly being as portrayed in film, and then someone (sorry don't remember who) commented on how influential others around Hitler were.

Hitler was a bit of a 'character'.  That WW1 moustache, already out of date by the time he got into power.  His ridiculous barking fake Prussian accent.   A useful front man.

Would Boris be in power if he wasn't such a useful front man?  He clowns around, bumbles around, not doing his homework, just winging it, drawing the focus of the journalists and commentators, whilst the hardcore neoliberal moneystrippers get on with what they want to do.

I was chatting yesterday with someone who's recently escaped from Hong Kong.  I thought we're some way off from Chinese dictatorship, but we won't be if we don't keep spreading the warnings and promoting community spirit and reminding people that it matters to care about things like the welfare state and vulnerable people.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 27 Jul 2021 07:44AM
I'm a bit puzzled by the BBC news currently. It talks of Covid cases plummeting but I check all 15-20 areas in my county's numbers every weekday and although numbers haven't risen, they're certainly not dropping. Maybe my county is unique! 

The case numbers are also higher than any other time in the pandemic. But I am reliably informed there are no Covid patients in ICU in the county which is encouraging. Overall, an encouraging picture but I shall remain more or less shielding for a while longer. 

Are your area's numbers falling?
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 27 Jul 2021 08:45AM
I don't know whether my area's cases are falling or rising, but there will be difficulties with statistics, depending on what they show.

Possible problems with statistics or what they may not clearly show, bearing in mind that politicians, journalists etc. may not make them clear...

1. Whether they're based on numbers of deaths, numbers of people testing positive/negative, numbers of people hospitalised etc.

2. Whether, if based on cases, they include any estimate of symptomless cases, of milder cases that may be mistaken for nasty flu (but which could lead to long covid), or of people hiding mild cases because they can't afford to isolate.

3. Whether they take into account false negatives on tests.

4. Whether they clearly indicate delay between infection and symptoms, particularly where mild initial illness is followed by long covid.

I'm very sure others could think of other potential issues with the statistics.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 27 Jul 2021 08:54AM
As may be evident from various posts I've made, I feel particularly strongly about long covid, and I'm unhappy that it doesn't seem to be mentioned much in terms of statistics. 

My bias includes having had postviral fatigue more than once.  The second time I am sure that I had it, I was at that point in the clutches of my local dysfunctional mental health services, so it was dismissed as retarded depression.  That meant I didn't get the help I needed.

So I have for many years felt empathy for those with the range of conditions that I believe to be connected with fatigue and/or generalised pain and who are dismissed as variously imagining it, faking it, not making an effort to get better or whatever.  I am very concerned that this will happen to people with long covid, but cling onto hope that the co-ordinated long covid sufferers' movement may bring about some really positive changes in respect of treatment of not just long covid but a whole range of conditions.

Thus I'm grumbly to say the least about the emphasis on death.  Putting it bluntly, there will be people with long covid who will wish they'd died quickly if they get as little support as people with a range of other disabling conditions.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: oldtone27 on 27 Jul 2021 08:56AM
One further reason is how many tests are carried out. In extremis no tests, no cases.

Several commentators are pointing out that school testing will have reduced due to closure for the summer holidays, It is also possible that people, even with symptoms, are not testing to avoid isolating. Lack of pay being a prime concern.

Of course it could be that vaccination is finally having an effect but I think we are going to have to watch a few weeks results yet to see if there is a real trend.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 27 Jul 2021 10:02AM
Sunny, the numbers are the amount of people testing positive for Covid. 

Oldtone you make very valid points about the variables, the most important one that I hadn't thought of is that senior school pupils have all been having weekly lateral flow tests and schools have broken up for "summer" so a massive drop in the numbers of tests being carried out which will of course cause a drop in positive cases identified. Lateral flow tests frequently throw up false negatives of course so numbers were likely to be higher than numbers quoted. I guess therefore, we won't see a real picture of how we're doing case wise until schools go back in September!
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 27 Jul 2021 10:23AM
I don't watch the BBC at all unless I find a direct link elsewhere to something or find their stuff on youtube.  I don't bother with iplayer.  As I scroll, there are pictures that flash back and forth between pictures and words.  There's no non-flashing version or text only version.  For years, I parked my television at someone else's house and didn't even bother with a television licence. 

Early in the pandemic, I tried watching BBC stuff about it on youtube, but Johnson and his mob just rambled impenetrably.   But then I don't use the website for news unless there's a reference to it elsewhere.  Trying to find any info at all requires click, click, click. 

I just tried to find out that info about local cases and had to scroll past various stories with big pictures and small print about stories about youtubers and partying and pregnancy and holidaying.  It all looks like the front page of a red-top and therefore not worth reading.

I finally worked out that I had to click on the thing about how many cases had been reported and found my screen filled with a picture of people on a train, with the focus on a woman with a low-cut top.  I don't expect to find anything serious at all in an article that starts like that.   It's not prudishness about bodies, it's an expectation of the sort of story, classic red-top news focus.

Why would I expect to find anything serious on that page? 

You may say that that's just me, but I'm not alone in my attitude to such things.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 27 Jul 2021 10:51AM
Sorry, I've gone off on a tangent there.

It's just that I'm fed up with the way we are or aren't given information and statistics by the government.

During the pandemic, I've relied on my local Reach group website.  Their journalists or interns seem to find the quickest way to make clickbait is to extract information from elsewhere, and that includes summarising national and local government information.

That is not a criticism of anyone here citing government statistics.  It's just a wail about how I've given up trying to digest them from government briefings and from the BBC.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 27 Jul 2021 02:03PM
I don't have a TV licence so don't watch BBC or iPlayer etc

To find your local rates will require a few clicks. From the BBC news website click on England then from there by clicking on England (or hovering over it I can't remember) it says "regions" from the region's news page you can put in your town and it should then list the daily positive Covid tests for each region in your county. These statistics are accurate results from all PCR and lateral flow tests. They only provide results daily Monday to Friday so the weekend's results are included in Monday's so that is always the highest results day.

Just had my legs waxed and the therapist who has senior school age children told me that children have discovered that orange juice creates two lines on the lateral flow tests which is a positive Covid result which was giving children and their bubbles and their teachers time off isolating so it appears that we may have experienced a high number of Covid cases due to orange juice.

Eta it's not regions you should choose from the England drop down menu, it's "local news" then type in your town. As of today my area of the county's numbers have dropped but my nearby city has risen sharply. That city has always had high numbers due to restricted workplaces and high number of multi occupancy housing. Hence not visiting the city to shop - long time.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 27 Jul 2021 04:03PM
I wasn't looking at the England menu, I was looking at the coronavirus menu.

I think that sums up for me why I don't make much use of the BBC site.  You shouldn't need to play "Guess what heading it's under" to find stuff.

That being said, I have just tried doing what you said.  I can't find a heading for it for my local area. There are articles about a range of repetitive topics that probably tell us very little that's new - rough sleeping, public transport, problems with council services, sport, seasonal & religious stuff.  There's one article about a local hospital and coronavirus figures, which could be summed up in a single sentence "Doctors at local hospital say you're more likely to get covid-19 if you haven't had the vaccine." 

The only other stuff I can find on coronavirus is a band across the screen lower down with a few general information articles that are the same as on the front screen, with no statistics that I can find unless they've got a completely irrelevant heading.

Never mind, if I scroll down, I can find lots more sport alternating with seasonal photography. 

I wonder whether you're viewing it in a different format.

This is not a criticism of you, just of the inaccessibility of the BBC.  I've tried to find a version without all the images, but they don't do one.  Massive images, most of which seem irrelevant to the story, and tiny font.  My brain doesn't do it.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 27 Jul 2021 06:06PM
If you send me your town name in a pm I will send you the direct link so you can see your numbers in your county
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 27 Jul 2021 06:44PM
I'll do that in a bit so you can show me the link.

That being said, I'm not convinced the BBC will be a good source.  I shouldn't need to keep a link to the relevant page of the BBC to find stuff.  These are some of the easy-access sources I use:-

Guardian.  Homepage.  Series of options by drop-down menu.  Default home page is 'news', which is left-hand drop-down.

Fourth drop-down across 'coronavirus'.

First two options top left are world map and UK map.

UK map, found by just two quick clicks without scrolling shows clearly laid out data with charts and figures.

Local area option is clear, albeit low down and requiring scrolling.

Sky news give a clear, brief summary of daily case totals nationally on youtube.  Their site has the current national info as main headline news.  It's usually not far down.

My local community group does a homepage link to our council's weekly news.

Once there, the first sentence offers two links, the first to general info and the second to a pdf of weekly data, which has a large, clear diagram with numbers for four different ways of presenting the current  

The council's info includes weekly breakdown, with an initial large diagram with numbers for the city presented in four different sorts of ways of presenting the figures.

If you scroll, there are some charts, including more detailed figures by ward.


I used to consider the BBC a good source of info, but  now it's almost as impenetrable as Boris's waffle.  I used to think it was just me that felt this way about government and BBC info, but too many others now have told me they feel likewise.

Oh well, the rain seems to have stopped.  I shall don my mask and head down to a local shop to practise my 'social disancing reel' and 'distanced supermarket aisle waltz'.

Sorry to be so non-stop whingey about everything to do with the government's handling of the pandemic.  I need to take a deep breath and get less heated about it.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Fiz on 28 Jul 2021 12:37PM
Your area appears to be completely different sunny, nothing on the BBC local area or regions pages at all about Covid rates in your area! You appear to have a very low uptake on the vaccine there though which would concern me if I went out and about. There is a link to a Reach page citing Covid rates but that only gave weekly rates rather than daily with the last date being 23rd July. Already in my area today's rates have been published for yesterday's tests for my county. Weird that each area provides different information via the BBC. 

I'm not a Reach fan personally, everytime you visit their website you have to object to cookies then click legitimate interest and object all there too before proceeding. Most websites only expect you to object to all their many information gathering cookies on your first visit but Reach is a rigmarole per visit.so often when a link leads me to Reach, I click out again.
Title: Re: Lifting restrictions by Fiz from UK site
Post by: Sunny Clouds on 28 Jul 2021 05:33PM
I'm not a fan of Reach in general, not least because I didn't like the merger of the Express and the Mirror, much less the take over of so many regional papers, and also I am under the impression from what I read in Private Eye that Reach don't treat their staff well in terms of pay, conditions, job security etc.  On the other hand, one could say that of a lot of sources of key information.  

That being said, when the BBC cut its regional news centres, it also started putting token funding into local non-BBC news sources.  Some of the Reach outlets seem to be recipients of some of that funding.

The vaccine uptake thing is scary, but overall I'm very nervous about this whole pandemic thing, being utterly terrified of long covid, so find it very difficult to be balanced in my views on vaccination rates.

I think it would help more if there was better-targeted vaccine advertising.  You can get vaccinated at a whole range of different venues, including places people normally go to for sports events, concerts, worship etc.  I had my first jab in a mosque and my second at a sports ground.  I can't help but think more young people would go if there was a jab festival, as it were.